Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
No, he will lose because his boss Nancy Pelosi doesn't love America. Slight difference.
Don't project your hatred of America upon others.
Not my hatred, pal. People know what Berkeley and San Francisco values are.
Like Thomas Jefferson hated America for protesting Adams' putting people in jail for criticizing him and standing up for America's values, not her corrupt government.
The Repupblicans in many cases lack values, lack any real love for America or her values, they 'love America' in a way only that lets them use America as a justification for hating others, the way that some sick men 'love women' but try to control them and kill them in 'honor killings' if they commit adultery, etc. By telling themselves that the America-loving liberals who actually have values are the ones who 'hate America', they are the types who would gut America and strip her of what she is, rolling out the carpet for fascism.
They're just like the Nazi leaders who wrote to each other how they were the only 'real Germans' who loved and deserved Germany, disdaining the others.
The right wing has eroded from mostly wrong to more and more wrong to where it becomes little more than a force for evil, rationalized by the informed, others ignorant.
The Japanese didn't care who their military tortured as long as it wasn't them. Romans didn't worry a whole lot about the rights of the enemies they vanquished, only their own.
We have the same worthless, immoral breed now in this country - in stark contrast to the history of more respectable Republicans who defended America's values mattering to everyone around the world, at least in their speech if not policies at times. This worthless group who confuse the superficial things of America - flag, pledge of allegiance, national anthem, for which they'll get all teary eyed and demand lapel pins - with the VALUES of America, for which they are indifferent at best, often ignorant, and opposed when pressed.
That is the behavior of fascists, worshipping the nation not for its values but simply as more power for them. The patriots are those who stand for the country, against them.
That's a lot of what fascism is - mob menality gone so large that the people have no real challenge to it, where it matters little if the leaders are manipulating or demagogues.
Our very structure of two main parties guarantees that many thousands directly depend on the success of party, and many many billions it controls the spending of mean many more depend indirectly, and that there will be a passionate pursuit of power by the party, not any sort of rational consideration of when the 'party goes wrong'. Party power > good policy; good policy is mainly useful for its use in getting votes that helps get power.
This institutionalization of corruption threatens the nation's ability for the 'people to rule', as only candidates of the two big parties who accept big corporate many have a chance.
And because the people are somewhat aware of that, the candidates use the issue of wanting 'change' for their own campaigns, leaving the outsiders who might really bring some change all competing with one other splitting the vote into 20 votes for one issue's candidate and 40 votes for another.
What if things got so corrupt that for a few years, the powerful took all the nation's economic growth for themselves denying any to the bottom 80% and almost any to the bottom 95%, while the top 0.01% went up hundreds of percent? Would that become so obvious that people would revolt? No, I can say, not as speculation, but as a matter of history because for the first time in American history that's happened - not recently, but for the last 25 years, and yet have probably 2% of voters with much idea it's happening.
And what happens when the corrupt powers each have their finger in the cookie jar? They don't let go, they keep grabbing cookies while the nation goes from being the world's largest creditor with a prospering middle class to the world's largest debtor, bankrupt in effect, dependant on investment from Asia, while domestic idiots blather about whether one of the two main candidates love their country and actually vote over such nonsense.
Such an incometent citizenry cannot continue to demand the right to rule. Currently, there's a courtesy where the powerful have in effect taken over that power, but continue to pretend the people rule, the way Tony Soprano sometimes was 'courteous' in pretending that Junior was still the boss, but it was inevitable that there would be conflict and Junior would end up in the nursing home he did, and the next steps are not good for the American people, as the powerful form global organizations with the 'real power'.
People can look back to this era as when Junior could still have had Tony shot (as he tried to), but did not, and the power shifted more and more to the few.
John McCain and George Bush should no more be serious candidates for the presidency than a communist. It's only testament to the power of the few that they are.
Fannie Mae taken over today by the government at the height of these corrupt policies, when it's worked since 1938 previously - and people don't notice the reason.
No, it's just 'some problem' not directly resulting from the corrupt policies of the right wing that has had power for the most part since 1981.
The fix: John McCain.
That's the fallacy people fall for, though. When Reagan's tax cuts cause big economic problems, the fix: bigger tax cuts. When Pinochet took power and let the American 'Chicago Boys' of Milton Friedman implement their ideology for a nation, and every prediction went disastrous and the public revolted and thousand had to be killed to keep them in power, the response by the Chicago Boys was that the measures needed to be increased further. It's nuts.
Evey step along the way as Hitler rose and he made the nation prosperous based on an ecnomy that needed to conquer, was that the fix was to conquer more.
These policies don't necessarily lead as his did to ruin militarily; they can simply result in the ruin of the middle class, a reversion to greatly concentrated wealth, with most poor.
The people who are so lazy and ignorant as to say that Obama's feelings for America are the issue this campaign are really, in effect, enemies of America.
The fact that their motives are not to destroy America doesn't change the result. They could go read books; they don't.
I've never seen one-right-winger here yet who has read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", "The Shock Doctrine", or Thom Hartmann's "Screwed".