Senator Edward M. Kennedy collapsed during the inaugural luncheon.

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Kennedy Has Collapsed | 2:55 p.m. Senator Edward M. Kennedy collapsed during the inaugural luncheon.

President Obama began his speech by talking about ?Teddy,? noting it was a joyous yet somber moment. ?My prayers are with him and his family and Vicki,? referring to Mrs. Kennedy. Senator Kennedy, 76, underwent surgery for a brain tumor on June 2.

Our colleague David M. Herszenhorn reports that Senator Edward M. Kennedy suffered convulsions at the Inaugural Luncheon and was taken from Statuary Hall in a wheel chair that had been lowered to a reclining position.

There was no immediate word on his condition but President Obama, getting up to speak, seemed slightly shaken.

?Right now part of me is with him,? he said of Mr. Kennedy. ?It?s a joyous time but it?s also a sobering time? he added, ?our prayers are with him and his family.?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...ation-of-barack-obama/

hopefully everything is ok with Senator Kennedy... seems like he's been sick for a long time now.


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ViRGE

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CNBC was saying Byrd fell ill too at the same event. Has that been refuted yet?
 

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Man, I just saw him all smiles and waving to the crowd not long before this happened, he looked pretty good.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: winnar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: winnar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

Ted Kennedy's drinking has already killed another human being, remember?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: winnar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

Ted Kennedy's drinking has already killed another human being, remember?

You are one pretty huge piece of shit to attack a man dying of a brain tumor.

Stating a fact is not attacking someone.

He suffered more seizures almost certainly related to his brain tumor, not to drinking .
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: loozar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

Ted Kennedy's drinking has already killed another human being, remember?

He's also done more good for this country than you'll ever accomplish in your pathetic, mean spirited, petty life. :roll:
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: winnar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

Ted Kennedy's drinking has already killed another human being, remember?

You are one pretty huge piece of shit to attack a man dying of a brain tumor.

Stating a fact is not attacking someone.

He suffered more seizures almost certainly related to his brain tumor, not to drinking



It sucks that the guy is suffering now, regardless of if you believe he is a waste of skin or not, but the fact remains that he did cause Mary Jo to die. Just because winnartroll stated that fact is not an attack, it is a fact. The same is true for Kennedy's drinking. Well documented fact there. The drinking may not have caused the seizures today, in fact they most likely did not, however it has contributed to Kennedy's overall poor health.

You may not like the statement of fact but that does not change it.
 

Lemon law

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I would assume the convulsions are due to the cancer progression or side effects. It is sad to see Edward Kennedy try so hard to be there and see many of the ideas he worked hard for triumph, and then have his body fail him at that moment. Love him or hate him, I would not wish that infliction on my worst enemy.

My best wishes go to Edward Kennedy and his family.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: shinerburke

My, my, my...look at the mouth on you.

It sucks that the guy is suffering now, regardless of if you believe he is a waste of skin or not, but the fact remains that he did cause Mary Jo to die. Just because winnartroll stated that fact is not an attack, it is a fact. The same is true for Kennedy's drinking. Well documented fact there. The drinking may not have caused the seizures today, in fact they most likely did not, however it has contributed to Kennedy's overall poor health.

You may not like the statement of fact but that does not change it.

I'm not sure what moon logic you are using to state that facts cannot be attacks. Must attacks be false in order to be attacks? My hope is that you would only attack people with facts. The 'fact' remains that no decent human being, when confronted with the news that someone has just collapsed from a seizure because he is dying of a brain tumor, comes out with a statement that says "hurr hurr he was a drunk!".

If Winnar wanted to say that he had trouble feeling sympathy for him due to bad things he did in the past, I could accept that. All his post was however was a childish flail. Oh, and "Overall poor health" is the excuse you're going to try and use to cover for someone's completely classless attacks? Good one.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: loozar111

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: loozar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

Ted Kennedy's drinking has already killed another human being, remember?

He's also done more good for this country than you'll ever accomplish in your pathetic, mean spirited, petty life. :roll:

Like working to elect his Traitor in Chief brothers?
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: shinerburke

My, my, my...look at the mouth on you.

It sucks that the guy is suffering now, regardless of if you believe he is a waste of skin or not, but the fact remains that he did cause Mary Jo to die. Just because winnartroll stated that fact is not an attack, it is a fact. The same is true for Kennedy's drinking. Well documented fact there. The drinking may not have caused the seizures today, in fact they most likely did not, however it has contributed to Kennedy's overall poor health.

You may not like the statement of fact but that does not change it.

I'm not sure what moon logic you are using to state that facts cannot be attacks. Must attacks be false in order to be attacks? My hope is that you would only attack people with facts. The 'fact' remains that no decent human being, when confronted with the news that someone has just collapsed from a seizure because he is dying of a brain tumor, comes out with a statement that says "hurr hurr he was a drunk!".

If Winnar wanted to say that he had trouble feeling sympathy for him due to bad things he did in the past, I could accept that. All his post was however was a childish flail. Oh, and "Overall poor health" is the excuse you're going to try and use to cover for someone's completely classless attacks? Good one.

I'm not trying to cover for him at all. I'm just pointing out that you are overreacting to a couple of true statements. Since when is repeating the truth about someone an attack?

I can say Stalin killed a shitload of his own people and that is a fact, not an attack.

Regardless this isn't the time or place to be arguing about such things. Part of what is wrong with this forum is that someone like winnartroll post something, someone like you takes offense to it and then the next thing you know the entire thread has gone down the shitter and is hanging out with copies of Glitter and dodging corn.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: shinerburke

I'm not trying to cover for him at all. I'm just pointing out that you are overreacting to a couple of true statements. Since when is repeating the truth about someone an attack?

I can say Stalin killed a shitload of his own people and that is a fact, not an attack.

Regardless this isn't the time or place to be arguing about such things. Part of what is wrong with this forum is that someone like winnartroll post something, someone like you takes offense to it and then the next thing you know the entire thread has gone down the shitter and is hanging out with copies of Glitter and dodging corn.

Uhmm, repeating the truth against someone is frequently an attack. Again, I have to ask why the factual accuracy of something would change if it were an attack or not. In fact, it's the most effective form of attack possible as it's actually true. If someone calls you stupid, and your IQ is in fact below 100, are they just being helpful in pointing that out? Of course not, they are attacking you. (I don't mean you specifically) There's nothing intrinsically wrong with attacking someone, and while I guess I could have made that clearer in my original post, but I thought it went without saying.

Winnar's attack was classless and worthless because it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and it was a childish slap at a dying man for no particular reason. I know he's just a troll, to be honest I don't understand why he hasn't been banned yet, but I'm perfectly content with calling him a little shit when he acts like one.
 

JSt0rm

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I want you all to listen to me very carefully. 75% of them are alcoholics. It's true. I have a friend who redid the bathroom of a very prominent republican senator and when they went into the bathroom to measure it was COVERED in tiny single serve vodka bottles. He had to balance and shit to get his measurements without knocking any of them over :) and no i won't say who it was :)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: winnar111

Happens when you guzzle Booze.

So what's your excuse? :confused:

Sheesh!!! Do you ALWAYS have to be turd? :thumbsdown:

What does this have to do with the topic?


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I don't like the man nor his politics but it doesn't mean I like seeing him have issues. Maybe he should resign his post since he's not been able to do much since the surgery.
 

Craig234

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Senator Ted Kennedy has had personal weaknesses - and many strengths.

Like his brothers - all three of whom were killed serving the country, as he nearly was by John Hinkley who only went after Reagan when Kennedy was late showing up where Hinkley was waiting - he was raised to be a public servant by one of the wealthiest men in America. As the heir to the family fortune, and an indepndantly wealthy man, he could have easily enjoyed a lifestyle of private pleasure, but did not - and was not in public service for private gain.

Fourth of the sons, he was not the one chosen for top office - but the Senate was available with his family's power. And he has turned into one of our greatest Senators.

Even radical Republicans who almost never say a good word about Democrats have praised his work in the Senate. It's been widely said that he might have gotten more done in more bills than perhaps any other Senator as he was happy not to take credit and work behind the scenes to 'get things dne for the good of the country'.

All analysts I've seen say he was a much more effective Senator than his brothers, who were more comfortable leading the executive branch, short on Senate successes.

He shares one accomplishment with George Bush: turning around a problem with alchohol. However, while the left almost always acknowledges Bush's, the right almost never Ted's.

He has served in the Senate since 1962, a very long service, and his liberal policies have greatly helped Americans.

Those who are hypocrites about the tragedy of his negligent behavior killing one person while being apologists for 'their side's' presidents' intentional policies killing thousands, from Reagan's death squads killing and raping nuns to his and Bush 41's Contra terrorist army to the slaughter of Grenada people for the crime of being elected while left-wing among countless others, are despicable, but this is not the thread for elaborating on that point.

Kennedy has served the nation well at fighting for our policies to serve the people and not the few most wealthy, and this has made the nation greater.

IMO, it's the nation's loss not to have had him serve as president. So much went the wrong direction with the election of Reagan in 1980, when Kennedy ran - it was the beginning of the massive shift in income leaving the bottom and middle for the top, of the culture of corruption and de-regulation from the public interest restraining harmful activities, to the massive debt used to buy prosperity by stealing from taxpayers in years to come; a wasted opportunity for taking advantage of the end of the cold war.

In short, a continuation of the liberal side of US presidents that began with FDR and ended with Reagan - and within 25 short years has led the nation again to the point of crisis.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Senator Ted Kennedy has had personal weaknesses - and many strengths.

Like his brothers - all three of whom were killed serving the country, as he nearly was by John Hinkley who only went after Reagan when Kennedy was late showing up where Hinkley was waiting - he was raised to be a public servant by one of the wealthiest men in America. As the heir to the family fortune, and an indepndantly wealthy man, he could have easily enjoyed a lifestyle of private pleasure, but did not - and was not in public service for private gain.

Fourth of the sons, he was not the one chosen for top office - but the Senate was available with his family's power. And he has turned into one of our greatest Senators.

Even radical Republicans who almost never say a good word about Democrats have praised his work in the Senate. It's been widely said that he might have gotten more done in more bills than perhaps any other Senator as he was happy not to take credit and work behind the scenes to 'get things dne for the good of the country'.

All analysts I've seen say he was a much more effective Senator than his brothers, who were more comfortable leading the executive branch, short on Senate successes.

He shares one accomplishment with George Bush: turning around a problem with alchohol. However, while the left almost always acknowledges Bush's, the right almost never Ted's.

He has served in the Senate since 1962, a very long service, and his liberal policies have greatly helped Americans.

Those who are hypocrites about the tragedy of his negligent behavior killing one person while being apologists for 'their side's' presidents' intentional policies killing thousands, from Reagan's death squads killing and raping nuns to his and Bush 41's Contra terrorist army to the slaughter of Grenada people for the crime of being elected while left-wing among countless others, are despicable, but this is not the thread for elaborating on that point.

Kennedy has served the nation well at fighting for our policies to serve the people and not the few most wealthy, and this has made the nation greater.

IMO, it's the nation's loss not to have had him serve as president. So much went the wrong direction with the election of Reagan in 1980, when Kennedy ran - it was the beginning of the massive shift in income leaving the bottom and middle for the top, of the culture of corruption and de-regulation from the public interest restraining harmful activities, to the massive debt used to buy prosperity by stealing from taxpayers in years to come; a wasted opportunity for taking advantage of the end of the cold war.

In short, a continuation of the liberal side of US presidents that began with FDR and ended with Reagan - and within 25 short years has led the nation again to the point of crisis.

9/10 on the fluffing
7/10 for the partisan drivel
0/10 for the topic?
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Craig234
Senator Ted Kennedy has had personal weaknesses - and many strengths.

Like his brothers - all three of whom were killed serving the country, as he nearly was by John Hinkley who only went after Reagan when Kennedy was late showing up where Hinkley was waiting - he was raised to be a public servant by one of the wealthiest men in America. As the heir to the family fortune, and an indepndantly wealthy man, he could have easily enjoyed a lifestyle of private pleasure, but did not - and was not in public service for private gain.

Fourth of the sons, he was not the one chosen for top office - but the Senate was available with his family's power. And he has turned into one of our greatest Senators.

Even radical Republicans who almost never say a good word about Democrats have praised his work in the Senate. It's been widely said that he might have gotten more done in more bills than perhaps any other Senator as he was happy not to take credit and work behind the scenes to 'get things dne for the good of the country'.

All analysts I've seen say he was a much more effective Senator than his brothers, who were more comfortable leading the executive branch, short on Senate successes.

He shares one accomplishment with George Bush: turning around a problem with alchohol. However, while the left almost always acknowledges Bush's, the right almost never Ted's.

He has served in the Senate since 1962, a very long service, and his liberal policies have greatly helped Americans.

Those who are hypocrites about the tragedy of his negligent behavior killing one person while being apologists for 'their side's' presidents' intentional policies killing thousands, from Reagan's death squads killing and raping nuns to his and Bush 41's Contra terrorist army to the slaughter of Grenada people for the crime of being elected while left-wing among countless others, are despicable, but this is not the thread for elaborating on that point.

Kennedy has served the nation well at fighting for our policies to serve the people and not the few most wealthy, and this has made the nation greater.

IMO, it's the nation's loss not to have had him serve as president. So much went the wrong direction with the election of Reagan in 1980, when Kennedy ran - it was the beginning of the massive shift in income leaving the bottom and middle for the top, of the culture of corruption and de-regulation from the public interest restraining harmful activities, to the massive debt used to buy prosperity by stealing from taxpayers in years to come; a wasted opportunity for taking advantage of the end of the cold war.

In short, a continuation of the liberal side of US presidents that began with FDR and ended with Reagan - and within 25 short years has led the nation again to the point of crisis.

9/10 on the fluffing
7/10 for the partisan drivel
0/10 for the topic?

And what exactly have you added to this topic (not that you ever add anything of worth)?