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Senate Fails to Pass Three-Month Extension of Jobless Aid

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A bill to extend benefits for the long term unemployed was quietly defeated today on capitol hill.

WASHINGTON — The Senate failed to move forward on a three-month extension of assistance for the long-term unemployed on Thursday, leaving it unlikely that Congress would approve the measure soon while undercutting a key aspect of President Obama’s economic recovery plan.
Fifty-nine senators, including four Republicans, voted to advance the legislation, falling one vote short of the 60 needed to break a Republican filibuster effort.


Republicans and Democrats, many from the nation’s most economically depressed states, had been trying to reach a solution that would allow people who have exhausted their unemployment insurance to continue receiving benefits as long as the government offset the $6 billion cost.
Ultimately, how to pay for the program proved too big a hurdle for senators to overcome.


“We’ve given them everything they wanted. Paid for,” said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, flashing his irritation at Republicans who blocked the bill.
He said Democrats would keep pushing to extend the benefits, which expired at the end of last year, cutting off more than 1.3 million Americans.



That number has since grown to more than 1.7 million.
Democrats hope to turn the issue into an election-year cudgel and have accused Republicans of ignoring people who are out of work. Republicans have balked at that as political smoke.


“We know it’s a political game,” said Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah. “We know they’d like to bring it up every three months and bash Republicans with it.”

Mr. Obama has repeatedly pressed Congress to extend the program, an emergency measure enacted during the recession to provide up to 47 weeks of supplemental payments to the long-term unemployed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/u...unemployment-extension.html?ref=politics&_r=0
 

glenn1

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theeedude

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GOP filibustered it because they think the unemployed have it too good and are just not desperate enough to take jobs.
 

glenn1

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GOP filibustered it because they think the unemployed have it too good and are just not desperate enough to take jobs.

Yeah, I know you progressives are picking up the slack and hiring all those folks instead of just complaining how companies like Wal-Mart aren't hiring them at $15/hour. I'm sure you guys have plenty of work for them to do and will pay them a "living wage" for it.
 

Jhhnn

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Don't worry, I'm sure the people who support it are furiously donating their own money to charities to help out in the meantime. I have no doubt they're really giving until it hurts on behalf of the unemployed and not waiting for taxpayers to do it instead.

Duh-flect! Duh-flect! duh-flect!
 

Jhhnn

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Yeah, I know you progressives are picking up the slack and hiring all those folks instead of just complaining how companies like Wal-Mart aren't hiring them at $15/hour. I'm sure you guys have plenty of work for them to do and will pay them a "living wage" for it.

As if the demand for more production from more American workers exists anywhere but in your imagination.
 

glenn1

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As if the demand for more production from more American workers exists anywhere but in your imagination.

I guess even progressives can't come up with a business case for hiring the people who vote for them.
 

Jhhnn

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I guess even progressives can't come up with a business case for hiring the people who vote for them.

Which brings us back to the necessity of some entity other than business taking the initiative, huh?

It might even necessitate a paradigm shift in thinking.

Horrifying, isn't it, when the system you adore, defend & have profited from fails to deliver in an increasing fashion, huh?

Unless you're in moralistic self righteous denial. Then it's all different, I'm sure.
 

Lithium381

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GOP filibustered it because they think the unemployed have it too good and are just not desperate enough to take jobs.

I think one of the amendments the republicans wanted was if you were eligible for a job opening you have to take it and get off of UI regardless of if it meant a "pay cut" or not.
 

Lithium381

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Don't worry, I'm sure the people who support it are furiously donating their own money to charities to help out in the meantime. I have no doubt they're really giving until it hurts on behalf of the unemployed and not waiting for taxpayers to do it instead.

They dont have any money left for charity... they sent all of their extra cash as a donation to the federal government!
 

Lithium381

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Which brings us back to the necessity of some entity other than business taking the initiative, huh?

It might even necessitate a paradigm shift in thinking.

Horrifying, isn't it, when the system you adore, defend & have profited from fails to deliver in an increasing fashion, huh?

Unless you're in moralistic self righteous denial. Then it's all different, I'm sure.

I dont mind another entity taking over as long as im not forced to participate... same way i am not forced to buy starbucks coffee - which i dont.
 

sportage

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I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, as they say.
I can see both sides of the argument.
We have to ask, how long should unemployment be granted?
People unemployed for six months say they need more time to look and thus more extended benefits meanwhile.
Just a knee jerk reaction, six months seems a fairly acceptable limit for granting benefits.
But one year? Two? Three?
Seems with granting benefits for that long, over six months, would at some point bust any state budget.
That's a lot of benefit payments going out weekly.

Kind of like social security, which you pay into while employed, but what if the life expectancy grew to say 100 years? Two hundred years? And you actually only worked say 52 years as employed (age 18 - 70), but collect SS for 80+ years retired?
At some point the SS fund would go bust.

So with unemployment extensions, how long is too long?
If one never were to find a job, ever, should they continue to collect a monthly unemployment benefit until social security finally kicks in at age 66?

I could see the unemployed and looking for a similar job with similar income possibilities, while turning down offers not quite up to their expectations.
But after, say, three months or four months of looking and rejecting offers they feel unacceptable, at some point one must give in and accept something or anything offered.
How picky should you be and for how long?
And, the bottom line, should tax payers be held accountable beyond six months of looking and job shopping?

If nothing comes along, especially nothing you feel comparable to your previous employment, isn't it time to take anything offered?
Even if that might be holding down two entry level jobs flipping burgers?
That, vs unlimited unemployment benefits?

Somehow, at some point, a line has to be drawn.
If unemployment benefits were endlessly extended up to the age of retirement kicking in, well... Huston we have a problem.
And to me it seems this is exactly where we are headed.
Unlimited unemployment extensions up to social security kicking in at 66.
And as an lefty liberal, even I see a huge problem with unlimited unemployment benefit extensions.

Yes I have a personal story to add in, as usual.
A good friend from New York had been working import/export back in NY.
Made a six figure income.
Layer off, he relocated to the west coast.
The highest pay he was offered for similar employment living on the west coast was $36,000 a year.
Unacceptable to him. Totally unacceptable to him.
So he declined employment opting instead for unemployment.
I just can't feel sorry for him. I see this as unrealistic expectation.
Turing down a well paying job only because it did not march what he was earning back on the east coast.
I really have to wonder how many other long termed unemployed think this way?
 

Jhhnn

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Why isnt there demand? High taxes? High regulations? Manufacturing sent overses? The ACA?

Low wages & low employment create low demand for goods & services.

None of this is as difficult as you need to make it to satisfy your yearning for ideological purity & conformity to failed conceptualizations.
 

Jaskalas

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Whether I agree with the Bill or not, the Senate process should move forward on simple majorities. Period.
 

ivwshane

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Don't worry, I'm sure the people who support it are furiously donating their own money to charities to help out in the meantime. I have no doubt they're really giving until it hurts on behalf of the unemployed and not waiting for taxpayers to do it instead.

Did you tell people they should be donating to farmers before congress continued giving them subsidies?
 

Vic

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Why isnt there demand? High taxes? High regulations? Manufacturing sent overses? The ACA?

None of those. The real problem is that the private sector remains overly risk adverse following the economic downturn.
 

compuwiz1

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GOP filibustered it because they think the unemployed have it too good and are just not desperate enough to take jobs.


Damn, you are such a dumb ass. The longer a person remains unemployed the more their chances diminish of being hired. If people can't find a fucking job after all the unemployment they have been extended, they are either not trying or they are being too particular. (read entitled liberal leech) Good that our government decided not to enable people to sit around and watch reality TV all day.

Drop me off in any town in the USA, with one day's meal money and a couple days of clothes changes and I guarantee you I will be working somewhere within 48 hours. I have been down to this twice in my life and pulled it out with nobody helping me.
 

MagickMan

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Damn, you are such a dumb ass. The longer a person remains unemployed the more their chances diminish of being hired. If people can't find a fucking job after all the unemployment they have been extended, they are either not trying or they are being too particular. (read entitled liberal leech) Good that our government decided not to enable people to sit around and watch reality TV all day.

Drop me off in any town in the USA, with one day's meal money and a couple days of clothes changes and I guarantee you I will be working somewhere within 48 hours. I have been down to this twice in my life and pulled it out with nobody helping me.

Exactly, I did that after high school, while paying college tuition. I lived in my employer's garage until I made enough to get an apartment, you do what you need to do. How does anyone stay on unemployment for 2-3 years? It doesn't pay that much, just about any real job will pay more.
 

Ausm

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Jhhnn

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So when can we expect Democrats to end the corporate welfare known as Medicaid and Food Stamps? :confused:

About the time that less fortunate Americans are no longer the true recipients. Both programs enable them to be market participants, so of course corporate entities benefit indirectly.

If all the poor & near poor people in this country disappeared tomorrow, our magnificent system would just create more. That's the nature of trickle down economics.