Senate Democrats yield to Obama, retreat on Burris

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I have a feeling that if the Senate Dems (Reid) did not register any sort of opposition we would be hearing a different set of griping coming from the righties...

That the Dems were complicit or "in the pocket" of the corrupt Governor from Ill. Blagovich.

damned if you do...damned if you dont.

Gee, that might stem from the fact that Blago and Obama are best pals from their Illinois days.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: OrByte
I have a feeling that if the Senate Dems (Reid) did not register any sort of opposition we would be hearing a different set of griping coming from the righties...

That the Dems were complicit or "in the pocket" of the corrupt Governor from Ill. Blagovich.

damned if you do...damned if you dont.

Gee, that might stem from the fact that Blago and Obama are best pals from their Illinois days.

Yeah, that's probably why Blagojevich is on tape calling Obama a 'motherfucker'. That's what best pals do.

God Winnar, do you always have to be like this?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Get a life Winnar111, Durbin is not the democratic party, and if Durbin made an ill thought out remark he has since retracted that you happen to agree with, it simply means nothing, nothing at all.

The fact is, under the Illinois State constitution, that very State constitution vests the power of appointment for Senate vacancies with the current Illinois Governor. But that same constitution drafted long before any of were born failed to anticipate that the same Governor would be corrupt, so logic dictates any appointment the Governor makes may be tainted, and another vague power was granted to the Illinois Sec of State
as a check against corruption.

Its a thorny and somewhat unique problem, but in no way comparable to the things that GWB has done.

So winnar111, the onus is now on you, other than a special election with Republican eligible, how do you propose the democrats proceed so it is fair.

Granted Burris is not a perfect human being, but neither is any democrat, republican, independent, or any human on the face of the planet.

There's the BDS....Bush isn't even mentioned in the story. And many other Dems said the same.

How about they don't seat anyone until Blago resigns?

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At least you now offer one possible poor solution, don't seat anyone until Blago resigns, bottom line, not likely to happen, think impeachment as the more likely removal method, but when you cite Bush Denial syndrome, YOU are the one who dragged GWB into this thread by suggesting its comparable, not us.

From your previous winnar111 post on this very thread, , here it is, " Apparently when Democrats lie and change their mind, its blowing smoke, but when Bush does it..."

Your statement you now try to blame on others.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Get a life Winnar111, Durbin is not the democratic party, and if Durbin made an ill thought out remark he has since retracted that you happen to agree with, it simply means nothing, nothing at all.

The fact is, under the Illinois State constitution, that very State constitution vests the power of appointment for Senate vacancies with the current Illinois Governor. But that same constitution drafted long before any of were born failed to anticipate that the same Governor would be corrupt, so logic dictates any appointment the Governor makes may be tainted, and another vague power was granted to the Illinois Sec of State
as a check against corruption.

Its a thorny and somewhat unique problem, but in no way comparable to the things that GWB has done.

So winnar111, the onus is now on you, other than a special election with Republican eligible, how do you propose the democrats proceed so it is fair.

Granted Burris is not a perfect human being, but neither is any democrat, republican, independent, or any human on the face of the planet.

There's the BDS....Bush isn't even mentioned in the story. And many other Dems said the same.

How about they don't seat anyone until Blago resigns?

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At least you now offer one possible poor solution, don't seat anyone until Blago resigns, bottom line, not likely to happen, think impeachment as the more likely removal method, but when you cite Bush Denial syndrome, YOU are the one who dragged GWB into this thread by suggesting its comparable, not us.

What's so poor about the solution? The Senate doesn't need 100 members to operate.

 

[Lemon law]

At least winnar111 asks an honest question for a change in asking, "What's so poor about the solution? The Senate doesn't need 100 members to operate."

And the answer may well lie in the inordinate delay, Blago may be tainted but he is not even indicted yet, courts will also have to weigh in on the admissibility of wiretaps, Blago like Jefferson may be able to long stall going to trial, and its not fair to the people of Illinois to deprive them of a Senator for what may amount to a year or better process.

Despite various critics, there is absolutely no evidence that Burris is personally corrupt, and if Burris can persuade various critics that the Blago taint does not taint him, or if Lt. Gov. Quinn states he would appoint Burris if Blago resigns or is removed from office, both the Illinois Sec of State and Senate democrats may decide to seat Burris sooner rather than much later. Or a court could rule that the Illinois Sec of State must certify Burris. Or Blago may swiftly resign may resign and the new Illinois Governor Quinn could appoint Burris or someone else.

IMHO, the only question remotely comparable is the Minnesota Franken Coleman contest, and that too is being allowed to proceed as a legitimate court challenge, as State election law questions must be resolved at a State level. Unlike Burris, Franken is not DEMANDING to be seated.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
At least winnar111 asks an honest question for a change in asking, "What's so poor about the solution? The Senate doesn't need 100 members to operate."

And the answer may well lie in the inordinate delay, Blago may be tainted but he is not even indicted yet, courts will also have to weigh in on the admissibility of wiretaps, Blago like Jefferson may be able to long stall going to trial, and its not fair to the people of Illinois to deprive them of a Senator for what may amount to a year or better process.

Fair according to who? You?

The other Senator elected by the state of Illinois doesnt want a Blago appointment seated. The President Elect didn't want a Blago appointment seated until he changed his mind. And the state legislature of Illinois is trying to find ways to block a Blago appointment, so they probably don't want him seated.

 

[theeedude]

Who cares what the other Senator thinks? Maybe Burris doesn't want him seated. Blago is still the governor, it's his pick. Not the legislature's, Sr Senator's or Obama's. If legislature of Illinois doesn't want Blago picking Senators, they should impeach him already. If they think Burris is corrupt, they should recall him. Otherwise they should STFU.

 

[JEDIYoda]

winnar111 get over it....John McCain lost!!
Obama won!!!

Get over dude!!

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Well it doesn't look like the Dems want him but you know we are governed by a thing called laws...and it is looking like they may have no choice so wtf else are they supposed to do?


Oh wait did I just post in a troll thread? I read more and the OP is just a troll right or is this all serious?

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: sportage
No flip flop.

Uh.... what?

The first position was "we will not seat him". Now it's "we will seat him". You can spin in any way you like, it's a flip flop. If this was the repubs doing something like this, you can bet the resident lefties would be all over it as an example of lies etc etc. Because it's the dems, they want to sweep it under the rug.

The truth is that it's a major flip flop, major backtracking by the Obomination.