-=SENATE APPROVES 'PARTIAL BIRTH' BAN=-

[Sketcher]

Senate Approves 'Partial Birth' Ban

Somethin' tells me it's gonna get hot in here

*Read the article and understand what 'Partial Birth' is and what the bill supports before you post.

**If you're going to state "facts", include references, links, quotes to support. Don't just spew tired rhetoric.

***And hey, if you want to charge someone to back up their facts, back yours up first!

 

[SoylentGreen]

Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

 

[Ameesh]

I'm curious what the Supreme Court will say.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

 

[notfred]

The article talks a whole lot about politics and vote counts, but doesn't seem to bother to say exactly what a "partial birth" abortion is defined as.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: notfred
The article talks a whole lot about politics and vote counts, but doesn't seem to bother to say exactly what a "partial birth" abortion is defined as.

It says in the article:
Partial birth is described as a case in which the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the event of a breech delivery, if ?any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother.?

Oh and if your little

** And hey, if you want to charge someone to back up their facts, back yours up first!**

was directed at me, I don't recall presenting anything as fact, so I'm off the hook. Fausto1 made a flat-out conjecture which to which Kiyup responded by stating as fact that the majority of late-term abortions are by choice and not a life-saving measure.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

A minority of late abortions. Please do not twist the facts to purport a fallacy your pro-abortion stance.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: notfred
The article talks a whole lot about politics and vote counts, but doesn't seem to bother to say exactly what a "partial birth" abortion is defined as.

It says in the article:
Partial birth is described as a case in which the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the event of a breech delivery, if ?any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother.?

And does that include if the doctor pulls it out, or only if it gets there naturally?

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

The bill prohibits doctors from committing an ?overt act? designed to kill a partially delivered fetus. Partial birth is described as a case in which the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the event of a breech delivery, if ?any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother.?

**At this point, there is no greater risk to the mother which necessitates the killing of a fetus to save the mother's life.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

A minority of late abortions. Please do not twist the facts to purport a fallacy your pro-abortion stance.

Can you back that statement up?

 

[Tiger]

Senate APPROVES 'Partial Birth' Ban-

Good.

 

[CaptnKirk]

What's sad about this is the fact that it is a last chance senario to save the mothers life in a delivery gone bad.
There have been like only 2 done in the whole country in the last few years.
It's a given that the baby will die either way, now they are imposing the death penalty on the traumatized mother.
Brilliant display of partisan politics. May these evil polititians rot in hell.

 

[AU Tiger]

Good. Early term abortion doesn't bother me, but partial birth is wrong.

 

[EvilYoda]

wheeeeeeeeee, fight!

I can't wait to hear about this from my ex...she's part of Students For Choice on campus and is really happy about what she's doing.....and I'm on her side too, but it'll still be interesting.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

A minority of late abortions. Please do not twist the facts to purport a fallacy your pro-abortion stance.

Can you back that statement up?

According to CDC data, only about 1% of abortions are even performed after 20 weeks. D&X ("partial birth") abortions account for less than one percent of total abortions performed per year. He may be technically correct, but his point is essentially moot since the vast majority are performed much ealier in the pregnancy.

 

[Jzero]

***And hey, if you want to charge someone to back up their facts, back yours up first!**

And hey, when I present a conjecture and claim it's a fact, maybe I will, but as long as I don't state any "facts" I will refrain from backing up any facts that I do not state, thank you very much.

 

[Red Dawn]

I couold give a damn since it doesn't effect me one way or another.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Make your decision earlier and get your abortion then if you need to. Not that hard.
Let's not get into avoiding the pregnancy first which should be your best solution.

This procedure is done later when the mother's health is at stake, not because she had a sudden change of heart in her second trimester.

A minority of late abortions. Please do not twist the facts to purport a fallacy your pro-abortion stance.

Can you back that statement up?

According to CDC data, only about 1% of abortions are even performed after 20 weeks. D&X ("partial birth") abortions account for less than one percent of total abortions performed per year. He may be technically correct, but his point is essentially moot since the vast majority are performed much ealier in the pregnancy.

what's also stupid about this is that the abortions will most likely happen anyway. they aren't going to post cops hanging out inside clinics. my guess is that there will be a small spike in "miscarriages" inversely proportional to the drop in partial birth abortions.

 

[jaeger66]

As was mentioned in the other thread about this that is still on the front page, this won't get past the SC. They overruled it once already. So nothing to worry about.

And BTW, partial birth is still the safest way to deliver a nonviable fetus in many cases. But the religious nuts want to obscure the line between late term and partial birth. READ THE POST BY THE ACTUAL DOCTOR IN THE OTHER THREAD. Some of you fools might actaully learn something, however much it hurts.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Remember: It's never too late to abort a pro-lifer.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
I'm curious what the Supreme Court will say.

They said no once. They'll say it again.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Jzero

***And hey, if you want to charge someone to back up their facts, back yours up first!**

And hey, when I present a conjecture and claim it's a fact, maybe I will, but as long as I don't state any "facts" I will refrain from backing up any facts that I do not state, thank you very much.

con·jec·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-jkchr)
n.
Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various conjectures about the outcome of the next election.


*You really don't know what you're arguing with yourself about there do you Jzero?

 

[Jzero]

*You really don't know what you're arguing with yourself about there do you Jzero?

Au contraire. I asked if Kiyup could back up his claim that a majority of late term abortions are by choice, and not a last-ditch effort to save the life of the mother, and within minutes you edited your initial post. Which is fine, except I presented no facts. Why should I not ask others to back up their "facts", then?

 

[Piano Man]

So what if something happens late in the pregnancy that endangers the mother? Tough sh!t? I don't like abortion more than anyone else, but for christ's sake, there are two people involved when someone is pregnant, not just one.

 

[ILikeStuff]

Originally posted by: Tiger

Senate APPROVES 'Partial Birth' Ban-

Good.

I second that