News Sen Ron Johnson who is running for re-election still claims Jan 6 was not an armed insurrection

HomerJS

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He has doubled down on this shit again during the trial where the defendants have stated they were attempting an armed insurrection.

Question: How do they continue to get away with it? Johnson is leading in his race despite the outright lies and the treats to democracy

This is why I say no white conservative should touch creating or editing any history books. They can’t even get right facts from a few years ago. How can they be trusted with the history of the country

 

Leeea

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fyi Ron Johnson is winning also.

Going to donate directly to Mandela even as out of state here:

It might be futile, but might as well try.

edit:
if you go directly to actblue:
you can create / login to your account and it makes donating and keeping track easy
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Only thing I want to say -- with the daily burdens I've had for a few years and just "getting old" -- I'm just devastated and exhausted by all this. I actually think Trump and MAGA have taken years off my life because of the daily stress over four or five years.

So I just can't believe these people like Johnson. How can they hold their heads up and keep a straight face for all their duplicity and nonsense?

I try to find stuff to watch on TV to relieve me of the news channel miseries. It's funny. Chicago PD and Law and Order seem so delightful and entertaining . . . .
 

nickqt

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Right-wing authoritarians want their rightful authority figures in charge because they hold "traditional" values, where straight white Christian men are in charge...or are people who agree that in general it's "normal" for straight white Christian men to be in charge. Which is how you end up with right-wing authoritarians strongly supporting token minorities as they support the basic "traditional values" paradigm.

They do not give a shit about democracy, freedom, individual liberties, life, or personal responsibility. Those are simply conjuring phrases that help them identify rightful authority figures. That's it. There's no mystery here. There's no reason to be confused or to wonder why. The abstract concept behind the phrases being used are unimportant, the phrases are just in-group identifiers.

It's the same way they use socialism, communism, woke, BLM, Antifa, etc. Those phrases are used to identify others and out-group members. The actual meaning behind the phrases don't matter, not one bit. At all. Getting caught up trying to define those phrases and explain them to right-wing authoritarians is an absolute waste of time.

It's like trying to explain Quantum Physics using layman terms to someone who needs to believe that Jesus exists as grape juice and crackers in order to continue being a member of their church group. Reality doesn't matter, because belief alone is what provides membership into the in-group they have every interest to remain in. Their family, friends, and community are all in-group members. Even if they privately doubt that Jesus is grape juice, they'll go along with it, if it means their standing in the in-group remains in good standing.

The sooner that non-right-wing authoritarians get past trying to use PowerPoint to prove to right-wing authoritarians that they're wrong, the better. It's a waste of time and resources and as more research becomes available to show it, it tends to actually push right-wing authoritarians further to the right as they need to double-down with their beliefs to avoid the stress involved in the cognitive dissonance of reality vs. their beliefs.

If you must have the conversation, lead with your values and limit how much time you spend lecturing or defining phrases. Ask questions that will require an authoritarian to examine their own values as expressed through their politics, without answering the question or explaining why the person is hypocritical or mistaken. Either they figure it out, or they were always unreachable and it's best to move on.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Right-wing authoritarians want their rightful authority figures in charge because they hold "traditional" values, where straight white Christian men are in charge...or are people who agree that in general it's "normal" for straight white Christian men to be in charge. Which is how you end up with right-wing authoritarians strongly supporting token minorities as they support the basic "traditional values" paradigm.

They do not give a shit about democracy, freedom, individual liberties, life, or personal responsibility. Those are simply conjuring phrases that help them identify rightful authority figures. That's it. There's no mystery here. There's no reason to be confused or to wonder why. The abstract concept behind the phrases being used are unimportant, the phrases are just in-group identifiers.

It's the same way they use socialism, communism, woke, BLM, Antifa, etc. Those phrases are used to identify others and out-group members. The actual meaning behind the phrases don't matter, not one bit. At all. Getting caught up trying to define those phrases and explain them to right-wing authoritarians is an absolute waste of time.

It's like trying to explain Quantum Physics using layman terms to someone who needs to believe that Jesus exists as grape juice and crackers in order to continue being a member of their church group. Reality doesn't matter, because belief alone is what provides membership into the in-group they have every interest to remain in. Their family, friends, and community are all in-group members. Even if they privately doubt that Jesus is grape juice, they'll go along with it, if it means their standing in the in-group remains in good standing.

The sooner that non-right-wing authoritarians get past trying to use PowerPoint to prove to right-wing authoritarians that they're wrong, the better. It's a waste of time and resources and as more research becomes available to show it, it tends to actually push right-wing authoritarians further to the right as they need to double-down with their beliefs to avoid the stress involved in the cognitive dissonance of reality vs. their beliefs.

If you must have the conversation, lead with your values and limit how much time you spend lecturing or defining phrases. Ask questions that will require an authoritarian to examine their own values as expressed through their politics, without answering the question or explaining why the person is hypocritical or mistaken. Either they figure it out, or they were always unreachable and it's best to move on.
Yes -- I think you put a good perspective in a nutshell. This is similar to what I've been saying for a long time, and I noticed that Neil deGrasse Tyson -- the astronomer often interviewed in "normal" news media -- had described the "belief vs factual KNOWING" as a basis for the same problem.

And like the explanation of Deitrich Bonnhoeffer's "Theory of Stupidity" and the video someone posted recently, you can't tell those ignoramuses a g**d*** thing.

I just wanted to have a more blissful retirement and spate of sunset years. I didn't want to see all this stuff or imagine it happening all at once. I'll be on the edge of my chair until after the midterms, and then if things go wrong, I'll just really be upset.
 

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We have two other candidates in WI running locally that were present at the January 6th "dust up". One is an ex-cop that forced women to perform oral sex on him to get out of speeding tickets. People I know will vote for him because he is pro-life, never mind he'd make their daughters suck his penis when thy are grown woman. He is no longer a cop though. On my drive to work I see huge Ron Johnson signs and it's very discouraging, how fucking stupid people are.
 

Greenman

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He has doubled down on this shit again during the trial where the defendants have stated they were attempting an armed insurrection.

Question: How do they continue to get away with it? Johnson is leading in his race despite the outright lies and the treats to democracy

This is why I say no white conservative should touch creating or editing any history books. They can’t even get right facts from a few years ago. How can they be trusted with the history of the country

Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.
 

soundforbjt

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Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.
But there were guns, trump wanted the metal detectors removed at his rally because he was told the crowd was small because a lot of people couldn’t pass the scanner. Just because they weren’t used doesn’t mean there were no guns.
 

Greenman

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But there were guns, trump wanted the metal detectors removed at his rally because he was told the crowd was small because a lot of people couldn’t pass the scanner. Just because they weren’t used doesn’t mean there were no guns.
Read the article.
 

Meghan54

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Read the article.

OK...the two of us...me at 68....I have a flagpole with flag attached, you have your hands. Who is armed? Neither? Then I'd just beat the ever lovin' shit out of you with that pole....and I wouldn't be armed. LOL! Well, willing to take me up on this demo? I mean, hell, we'd both be unarmed, according to you. Or you get a pole and I get a knife and shield. Again, both unarmed. Right?
 

zinfamous

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Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.
But there were guns. This is an unassailable fact. Oath Keepers stashed them in several places around DC. They planted bombs.

why do you deny explicit facts to create a dumbshit argument? Is it because it makes you comfortable to continue supporting fascists?
 

Pohemi

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Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.
Sure thing, shitball.
As always, ignoring everything that has been released, uncovered, and testified to so far in regards to Jan. 6th.
Act like none of it happened, simply because they didn't storm the capital with machine guns blazing.

Will you ever stop being disingenuous?
 
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Meghan54

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Everyone, let’s attack the useful idiot with flagpoles. We have our defense argument that we weren’t “armed”!!!
Actually, if you read the quotes, it was suggested to have pipes with flags attached. Pipes are typically a tad heavier (more destructive) than your alu. flag pole from Target/WM/etc.
 

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I've really nothing to add to this thread other than to say, as a native Wisconsinite, that this doink was born and raised in Minnesota.
 

fskimospy

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Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.
It’s pretty amusing how he’s like ‘it wasn’t an armed insurrection but wasn’t it great how they used these arms?’ This is of course totally separate from the idea that the people who attacked the Capitol to try and overthrow the government had guns as well. It’s established in the various convictions from that day.

We both know Ron Johnson is a degenerate liar and that it was an armed insurrection. I don’t think any sane and reasonable person can deny this. Republicans tried to overthrow the government when they lost an election and you know this. The important part is that you stand with us against the Republican Party to make sure they lose the next insurrection too, and that insurrection is coming.
 

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The reason these yahoos got away with it is because most of us kept ignoring the warnings of their growing crowd sizes, angry rhetoric and proof that their vile agenda had become dangerous.

And now, we cannot stop it.
 

fskimospy

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And by the way @Greenman I don't expect you to actually support democrats as that's probably a bridge too far - what I would hope though is when Republicans try a second coup similar to the coup they attempted in 2021 that you will at least call it out for what it is and refuse to support it.

That means when 'independent state legislatures' submit electoral votes in defiance of the will of their people you don't say 'that's how the system was designed', you say 'this is a coup'.
 

Pohemi

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The reason these yahoos got away with it is because most of us kept ignoring the warnings of their growing crowd sizes, angry rhetoric and proof that their vile agenda had become dangerous.

And now, we cannot stop it.
Yes, yes...nobody noticed, discussed, or paid ANY attention to how much aggressive and violent rhetoric was being tossed around in Trump's circles and during his pointless rally events. :rolleyes:

You're the only one who saw this coming, nobody saw it or cared, etc. etc. What would you have done? Have them locked up for rhetoric?

Are you just going to strawman everything now and invent your own reality? Are you joining the GOP? Because that's their tactics, bro.
That means when 'independent state legislatures' submit electoral votes in defiance of the will of their people you don't say 'that's how the system was designed', you say 'this is a coup'.
Don't hold your breath.
 

Lanyap

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Article makes it all pretty clear, and I agree with the guy. No guns, no armed insurrection.



I guess this is what happens when you don't watch the J6 hearings and live in a world of denial like many conservatives / republicans. Are you going to eventually watch the J6 hearings?






 

Greenman

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It’s pretty amusing how he’s like ‘it wasn’t an armed insurrection but wasn’t it great how they used these arms?’ This is of course totally separate from the idea that the people who attacked the Capitol to try and overthrow the government had guns as well. It’s established in the various convictions from that day.

We both know Ron Johnson is a degenerate liar and that it was an armed insurrection. I don’t think any sane and reasonable person can deny this. Republicans tried to overthrow the government when they lost an election and you know this. The important part is that you stand with us against the Republican Party to make sure they lose the next insurrection too, and that insurrection is coming.
It appears we have a disagreement on what an armed insurrection is.
How many shots were fired and by who?
How many firearms were confiscated at the event?
How many members of congress were directly confronted?
Why were the insurrectionists taking selfies and posting them on social media?

I stand by my opinion, it was a riot. There was no consolidated effort to achieve a goal. There were no defined operational parameters, there was no clear organization.
I've said it again and again, my boy scout troop could have planed and executed a far more successful operation. This was a pack of fired up idiots that once again prove my theory that as the number of people in an angry group increases, the average IQ decreases.

Stupid people do stupid things, this is axiomatic. It's so fundamental to the human condition that we don't address the issue, we simply make laws to try and control the idiots.
 

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