Sempron prices listed, looks good for socket 754 people UPDATE REVIEW 3100+

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy

Originally posted by: Killrose
AMD is showing how crappy and full of holes their PRating scheme is. I mean, if you have a 2800+ and a 3100+, no matter what the chip archetecture, the 3100+ should beat the 2800+ ALL the time

no the 3100 raiting is supposed to be for comparison to the 3.1 ghz celly when it comes out

Link?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Falloutboy

Originally posted by: Killrose
AMD is showing how crappy and full of holes their PRating scheme is. I mean, if you have a 2800+ and a 3100+, no matter what the chip archetecture, the 3100+ should beat the 2800+ ALL the time

no the 3100 raiting is supposed to be for comparison to the 3.1 ghz celly when it comes out

Link?

I don't think the new Celeron at 3.1 would be as fast as an A64 at 2.8. From what I've read, the 2.5 Celeron is considerably slower than an AXP 2500+, which in turn is considerably slower than a (theoretical) A64 2500+.

I think that the more likely scenario is that it follows the model number scheme from the Athlon XP.

 

[LTC8K6]

I still don't see why I should buy a 32bit Sempron with 64bit chips widely available.

How much cheaper is it going to be when you will have to buy another chip to run 64 bit OS's?

To me, this means that Intel's decision to hold off on 64bit desktop chips was the correct decision.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I still don't see why I should buy a 32bit Sempron with 64bit chips widely available.

How much cheaper is it going to be when you will have to buy another chip to run 64 bit OS's?

To me, this means that Intel's decision to hold off on 64bit desktop chips was the correct decision.

If your choice is either Sempr0n or AXP, the Sempr0n would be the much better choice as you could always upgrade to an A64 later.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I still don't see why I should buy a 32bit Sempron with 64bit chips widely available.

How much cheaper is it going to be when you will have to buy another chip to run 64 bit OS's?

To me, this means that Intel's decision to hold off on 64bit desktop chips was the correct decision.

If your choice is either Sempr0n or AXP, the Sempr0n would be the much better choice as you could always upgrade to an A64 later.

Precisely. By purchasing a skt754 or 939 based solution with Sempron, you have an upgrade path to 64bit later when you feel there is enough to warrant 64bitness in your Boxen. I realize 754 A64's are seemingly about played out, but considering that down the road a bit a skt754 3700+ is going to be available for far less than it sales for now, used, it's still going to be relatively fast and capable as an upgrade to 64bit for Sempron users, and overclocking can eek out even more performance from it.

 

[LTC8K6]

It sounds like buying a Celeron now to be replaced by a P4 later.

The P4 is available and I'm buying stuff for a new system anyway.......

It doesn't make much sense to me to buy a Celeron or a Sempron when P4's and A64's are available.

Particularly with the A64 since you can just load up the 64bit OS when it's released without having to purchase a new chip at the same time.

Not that people won't.

I would guess that if the new Celerons will be 64bit enabled in the future then the Semprons will follow suit.

 

[Vette73]

Well for 1 the Celeron is a dog of a cpu, and that includes the new one. The sempron runs within 4% of a A64 at the same Mhz spee, 2800+. So you get a cheaper chip with great performance, unlike a celeron.



Some more showings of the sempron 3100+

MORE TESTS:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
It sounds like buying a Celeron now to be replaced by a P4 later.

The P4 is available and I'm buying stuff for a new system anyway.......

It doesn't make much sense to me to buy a Celeron or a Sempron when P4's and A64's are available.

Particularly with the A64 since you can just load up the 64bit OS when it's released without having to purchase a new chip at the same time.

Not that people won't.

I would guess that if the new Celerons will be 64bit enabled in the future then the Semprons will follow suit.

What Marlin said. BTW, It's been the Intel chips following suit on 64bit support, not vice versa

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Well for 1 the Celeron is a dog of a cpu, and that includes the new one. The sempron runs within 4% of a A64 at the same Mhz spee, 2800+. So you get a cheaper chip with great performance, unlike a celeron.



Some more showings of the sempron 3100+

MORE TESTS:

Yes, the Sempr0n appars to be a serious CPU, and will eat at the A64 sales IMO. It looks much better than the Duron ever was, and the Duron was an awesome budget CPU.

 

[LTC8K6]

BTW, It's been the Intel chips following suit on 64bit support, not vice versa

I was imagining a new 64bit budget segment.

Well, the new Celerys are Prescott cores and they were out first.......

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

BTW, It's been the Intel chips following suit on 64bit support, not vice versa

I was imagining a new 64bit budget segment.

Well, the new Celerys are Prescott cores and they were out first.......

What does that have to do with this? Is the Celery D a 64bit chip? It's irrelevant if it's there but disabled, it's either 64bit capable or it's not.

 

[LTC8K6]

Huh? The OP mentions that Intel has nothing to match Sempron.

If the Celerys are Prescott cores then perhaps they have the 64bit stuff in them already?

This would mean that Intel could possibly turn it on as they supposedly will with the Prescott.

This would give Intel a budget 64bit chip that AMD might have to respond to by making Sempron 64bit as well.

I would not buy a Sempron when A64's are available. This saves me having to buy a new chip later to go 64bit. Sempron makes no sense to me in a company that is trumpeting 64 bitness.

I continue to imagine a budget 64bit CPU segment.

 

[Dustswirl]

By the time 64bit apps become widely available and relevant, A64 on 754 would have dropped in price and become mainstream budget cpus so no need for low end chips with hidden 64bit features and stuff.

Semwhatever looks like a translation of 'Bartons' from socketA--->socket 754, another step towards the death of socketA

 

[Falloutboy]

man with this chip performing so well I'm really surprised AMD didn't just go with a 256k cache from launch of the A64 would of made it a hell of alot cheaper for them to make chips. the on die mem controller has gotta be the best thing amd has ever done (including 64bit)

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, it's all assuming that Intel either can or will allow 64bit to be turned on in the chips rather than make us buy new ones. An unlikely assumption if there ever was one. I can still imagine, though.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
man with this chip performing so well I'm really surprised AMD didn't just go with a 256k cache from launch of the A64 would of made it a hell of alot cheaper for them to make chips. the on die mem controller has gotta be the best thing amd has ever done (including 64bit)

I've read the bigger cahe comes into play more when running 64bit software., so that would explain why.

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Definitely looks like a great budget chip. It looks like the new celeron doesn' quite keep up with the AXP, so this one should have no problem outrunning the Cel. I guess it will come down to price/performance as always.

I think it's a pretty good move since it gives budget users an inexpensive way into SCKT 754 (and maybe 939 in the future?) with the ability to upgrade to 64bit without changing the MB.

The name is still kinda dorky IMO though.

-D'oh!

 

[Acanthus]

AMDs rating system makes no sense...

If its supposed to be equeal to a thunderbird at the PR clockspeed, then why is a Sempron 3100+ slower than an A64 2800+.... shouldnt the 3100+ semprons rating be 2700+ then...

 

[joe2004]

I fail to see any attraction with these chips. It looks only like a rebranding business to me.

 

[manymoons]

me a s a poor poor student can see the attraction, i could set um a rig ready for 64bit, that is still kickass at gaming but for much less than going for a full blown (and so more expensive) 64bit athlon. sounds like a steal to me,

 

[Avalon]

The attraction is that you can buy a 32bit "A64 2800+" for $124, as opposed to $175. It'd be even less if you got a lesser model. I'd love to sell off my mobile, snag one, and jump onto socket 754. I'm sure I could overclock one a little bit. These look to be much more powerful than their celeron equivalents.