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[SemiAccurate] OEMs call Intel’s Haswell pricing, “Absurd”

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NTMBK

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Latest Semiaccurate article on Haswell. Not surprisingly, a larger die for GT3 (take a look at dieshot analysis, there's clearly one die for GT2 and presumably a separate GT3 die) plus on-package DRAM is pushing Haswell GT3 prices way up. The price difference between good Intel integrated graphics and good AMD integrated graphics is going to be pretty steep.
 
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Hahah it really seems like Charlie got bored of blasting the pure [stuffing] out of Nvidia, and moved on to hammering the [stuffing] out of Intel.

There will always be something to complain about, but I get the feeling that he just likes drama to get more page hits. After all, the info about 480GTX turned out to be mostly BS. Sure it was louder/hotter, but it ran fine, and once tick/tocked into 580 was super solid. To believe Charlie, it was IMPOSSIBLY HOT, IMPOSSIBLE TO MANUFACTURE, IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX, WILL COST $50,0000000, WILL BE SLOWER THAN INTEL GMA900, etc.

I tend to regard Charlie as a retard. And by retard I don't mean to insult the mentally handicapped, I mean full retard in the colloquial sense.

No profanity please
-ViRGE
 
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Arkaign said:
There will always be something to complain about, but I get the feeling that he just likes drama to get more page hits. After all, the info about 480GTX turned out to be mostly BS. Sure it was louder/hotter, but it ran fine, and once tick/tocked into 580 was super solid. To believe Charlie, it was IMPOSSIBLY HOT, IMPOSSIBLE TO MANUFACTURE, IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX, WILL COST $50,0000000, WILL BE SLOWER THAN INTEL GMA900, etc.

I tend to regard Charlie as a retard. And by retard I don't mean to insult the mentally handicapped, I mean full retard in the colloquial sense.
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He is undoubtedly the biggest clown covering IT related matters.
 
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NTMBK said:
Yes, of course, I'm well known for accepting whatever Charlie says without question. He's biased and his opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt, but he's also had plenty of good scoops in the past. Like that Haswell GT3 was going to be using on-package graphics memory.
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He also said the GTX680 would be a horrible graphics card that would have a hard time against the 7970 and the only games where it would outpace the AMD equivalent would be the TWIMTBP games.

How'd that turn out?

Not that he's always wrong. He isn't. But when you're throwing darts around, as a reader it's difficult to tell which one will stick and which is completely off the mark.
 
pelov said:
He also said the GTX680 would be a horrible graphics card that would have a hard time against the 7970 and the only games where it would outpace the AMD equivalent would be the TWIMTBP games.

How'd that turn out?

Not that he's always wrong. He isn't. But when you're throwing darts around, as a reader it's difficult to tell which one will stick and which is completely off the mark.
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I think you're shooting the messenger, NTMBK is definitely not a Charlie believer/fanboy, he's just trying to get some interesting discussion going.

Of course I kind of thread-crapped myself, but I do believe that Charlie is so unhinged and unstable that I honestly think that he's worthless as a source. After all, if the info IS true, we'll know about it from better sources sooner or later anyway. So it's my preference not to give page hits to arseholes. 🙂
 
Arkaign said:
Hahah it really seems like Charlie got bored of blasting the pure shit out of Nvidia, and moved on to hammering the shit out of Intel.

There will always be something to complain about, but I get the feeling that he just likes drama to get more page hits. After all, the info about 480GTX turned out to be mostly BS. Sure it was louder/hotter, but it ran fine, and once tick/tocked into 580 was super solid. To believe Charlie, it was IMPOSSIBLY HOT, IMPOSSIBLE TO MANUFACTURE, IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX, WILL COST $50,0000000, WILL BE SLOWER THAN INTEL GMA900, etc.

I tend to regard Charlie as a retard. And by retard I don't mean to insult the mentally handicapped, I mean full retard in the colloquial sense.
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Charlie is pure genius. He makes a living as an artist and loves it.

The questionable entities in the equation are those who believe what they read on the internet just because it reaffirms their preconceived notions of reality.

Charlie does what he does because he enjoys living life in the pursuit of what fancies him. Confirmation bias on behalf of his readers is what enables him to make a living doing it.
 
If true (and I'm not saying it is) then this just goes to show what happens when AMD can't compete with Intel in x86 architecture and Intel is confident that they've closed the iGPU gap. :\

This thread really should have [Semiaccurate] in the title though.
 
It's amazing how adding the word semi changes the meaning of a word. I know it's an attempted play on semiconductor, but still.

Add semi to accurate, and your result is the opposite of accurate.
Add semi to flaccid, and your result is pretty much the same as flaccid.
Add semi to conductor, and your result is actually a mix between conductor and insulator.


I posit that semi is the most useless prefix in the English language.
 
Arkaign said:
I think you're shooting the messenger, NTMBK is definitely not a Charlie believer/fanboy, he's just trying to get some interesting discussion going.

Of course I kind of thread-crapped myself, but I do believe that Charlie is so unhinged and unstable that I honestly think that he's worthless as a source. After all, if the info IS true, we'll know about it from better sources sooner or later anyway. So it's my preference not to give page hits to arseholes. 🙂
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I didn't mean to lambast the OP and I didn't mean it that way, thought it did come out wrong. I was just stating that accepting some of what Charlie writes while disregarding the rest isn't a good plan. You might as well discredit everything and then read the article after the reviews are out. I'm sure if that approach is taken to his articles and guesstimations he wouldn't have many readers, though.
 
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pelov said:
He also said the GTX680 would be a horrible graphics card that would have a hard time against the 7970 and the only games where it would outpace the AMD equivalent would be the TWIMTBP games.

How'd that turn out?

Not that he's always wrong. He isn't. But when you're throwing darts around, as a reader it's difficult to tell which one will stick and which is completely off the mark.
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I don't remember that article, I remember hims stating that Kepler clearly beats the 7970 in most metrics.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/19/nvidia-kepler-vs-amd-gcn-has-a-clear-winner/
 
pelov said:
He also said the GTX680 would be a horrible graphics card that would have a hard time against the 7970 and the only games where it would outpace the AMD equivalent would be the TWIMTBP games.

How'd that turn out?
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actually right now that's kinda true lol
 
Intel is already charging $30 more for just 100 million or so extra gpu transistors on ivy bridge. Talk about a total ripoff. Like we need anybody to tell us they gonna do the same for haswell?
 
Semiconductor. SemiAccurate. See the connection?

BTW, it's really unreal to me how many people more or less defend Intel charging whatever they want.
 
AnandThenMan said:
Semiconductor. SemiAccurate. See the connection?

BTW, it's really unreal to me how many people more or less defend Intel charging whatever they want.
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Capitalism.

If you dont like Intel chargeing 50$ more on future CPUs because of on-die Ram for the iGPU, you can always buy a AMD CPU/APU.

However, Intel is not without reason in putting the on-die Ram on the chip.
The iGPU with these CPUs will be pretty strong.

The question of weather its "fair" to charge 50$ extra, for something that only costs "15$" more or so to add to a CPU, is up to the consumers.

Dont want a 250$ CPU, dont buy it.

However appearntly some OEM's think its abit extreme, and one actually used a "sensational" word like "absurb" when they talked to Charlie.
Why did they use that word? probably in the hopes that charlie would use it (and that it might get Intel to lower prices abit => more gain for them).
 
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dude charlie needs to take a haitus like i did...

lately, he's getting rediculous... and i mean on nostrodomus's level..

Yeah so i can predict 10000000 things to come true, and end up getting 10% of it correct.
Yet u wont hear me preach about it.
 
Arkadrel said:
Capitalism.

If you dont like Intel chargeing 50$ more on future CPUs because of on-die Ram for the iGPU, you can always buy a AMD CPU/APU.

However, Intel is not without reason in putting the on-die Ram on the chip.
The iGPU with these CPUs will be pretty strong.

The question of weather its "fair" to charge 50$ extra, for something that only costs "15$" more or so to add to a CPU, is up to the consumers.

Dont want a 250$ CPU, dont buy it.

However appearntly some OEM's think its abit extreme, and one actually used a "sensational" word like "absurb" when they talked to Charlie.
Why did they use that word? probably in the hopes that charlie would use it (and that it might get Intel to lower prices abit => more gain for them).
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Exactly. No one is forcing you to buy a product that you don't want to. It isn't up to me what any company charges for any product.
 
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