Seller on ebay charging % for paypal users?

[RIGorous1]

I remember reading in the terms and conditions of paypal usage that sellers are not allowed to charge the buyer any percentage for using their services? Am I recalling this correctly?

Also, where can I report this guy to have his auction closed or get him to not charge me?

Thanks,

Rig

Edit: explicit user agreement policy found; see my 3rd post below. Now we need a method of reporting this to ebay.

 

[dxkj]

I just simply up the price beforehand.

 

[Koing]

I notice this ALL the bloody dam time!

It says so and it is obviously checked by eBay and why the hell are they still allowed to do so?!

I'd like the place where you can report also

Koing

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: dxkj
I just simply up the price beforehand.

I wish people would just do that, like by just adding a few bucks to their shipping cost. This way its easy to see what the item's gonna cost you (final price+shipping= total), instead of final price+shipping+paypal cost(?)= total. For those who bid last minute they may miss the "paypal fee" and in this case its a "hidden cost" and thus misleading; not to mention annoying.

 

[RIGorous1]

no help?

Well I was searching paypal's user agreement and I found this:

No Surcharges. Under Visa, MasterCard, Discover and American Express regulations and the laws of several states, including California, merchants may not charge a fee to the buyer for accepting credit card payments (often called a "surcharge"). You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as payment. This restriction does not prevent you from imposing a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge (in other words, the handling fee for transactions paid through PayPal may not be higher than the handling fee for transactions paid through other payment methods). Sellers residing in the United Kingdom and listing items for sale on a UK-based website may impose a surcharge, but only under the following conditions:

Both the buyer and seller reside in the United Kingdom;


The purchase price is paid in pounds sterling;


The surcharge imposed by the seller is no greater than is necessary to recover the receiving fees incurred by the seller;


The seller clearly indicates to the buyer prior to the buyer's submission of a bid or (in non-auction transactions) prior to completion of the purchase that a surcharge will be incurred and the amount of the surcharge.

In short, this is not allowed in the US, but ok in UK

 

[geno]

WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

 

[Nebor]

How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

Accepting Credit Cards through paypal is the same as a business accepting Credit Cards through a merchant account. Businesses get charged a fee for accepting CCs and most are ok with this since accepting CCs usually increases sales.

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

I felt the same way when I had a merchant account... that's why I switched to personal account. With a personal account they charge you no fees to accept and send funds (from another personal account user), the only downside is that you can't accept credit cards. Either that or you should simply add the predicted cost to the shipping and not say anything.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: Nebor
How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST PAYPAL'S POLICY.

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: Nebor
How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

I understand where you're coming from, however by using the paypal account you agree to the terms and conditions, and therefore are not allowed to charge a fee. If you don't like it then stop using paypal or get them to change their rules.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Nebor
How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

I understand where you're coming from, however by using the paypal account you agree to the terms and conditions, and therefore are not allowed to charge a fee. If you don't like it then stop using paypal or get them to change their rules.

Not only that, they also gain an unfair advantage over other who must raise their prices to cover the paypal fee. Their item will appear to be cheaper at first, although at the end buyer will pay the same price.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Yeah, as has been state above, paypal explicitly forbids charging a buyer a fee to paypalling. There are many ways to get around this (or varying tact) such as saying "a $5% handlingfee will be charged for reading paypal emails" or such. It's probably better to just add whatever is honest to the shipping/handling fee. YMMV.

 

[Rumpltzer]

I wouldn't charge extra for using Paypal. The alternative is that I wait for a money order or a check, and I prefer the immediacy of Paypal.

I also wouldn't buy from someone who charges extra for using Paypal, and I don't buy from people who want $9+ for shipping a stick of RAM or a CD or a book.

I'm not sure I'd be mad at them. I just wouldn't deal with them. The nice thing about ebay is that there are lots more of whatever you're looking for.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

because you're benefiting from the use of their service

OMG a company trying to make a profit from people using their service, who would've thought?

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

because you're benefiting from the use of their service

OMG a company trying to make a profit from people using their service, who would've thought?

LOL

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Nebor
How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

I understand where you're coming from, however by using the paypal account you agree to the terms and conditions, and therefore are not allowed to charge a fee. If you don't like it then stop using paypal or get them to change their rules.

Do you work for Paypal? Is it ANY of your business if their policies are enforced? It's not like their policies are laws, made for the good of society. I don't see you enforcing EULAs left and right.

 

[Kelemvor]

If you pay using paypal credit card, the user has to pay paypal a percentage so why shoudln't he charge that percentage on to you? That's what I'd do. Or I just would reject your payment if you paid via paypal CC instead of paypal Bank.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Nebor
How about you mind your own business and don't bid on the auction if you don't agree with it? Those who are bidding know what they're getting into. Let the man sell his stuff however he wants, he's not hurting anybody.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

BTW, I always just pay the paypal fee myself out of my auctions. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting someone to cover their paypal cost when selling at item.

I understand where you're coming from, however by using the paypal account you agree to the terms and conditions, and therefore are not allowed to charge a fee. If you don't like it then stop using paypal or get them to change their rules.

Do you work for Paypal? Is it ANY of your business if their policies are enforced? It's not like their policies are laws, made for the good of society. I don't see you enforcing EULAs left and right.

We enforce those rules because we'd hate to see paypal jack up the fees for us legit customers because a few assclowns don't like a measly 3% being taken.

Your post really pissed me off, because I can't help but think that you're trying to save a couple bucks here or something.

You are a dammed hypocrite. You complain at him for trying to save a couple bucks, but then you get pissy about saving a couple bucks by not wanting to pay paypal fees?

Loser. If you have that much of a problem with it, then don't use it. I hope you get busted for trying to collect a fee and paypal's penalty is to close your account and seize all your funds. That would be pretty funny.

 

[luv2chill]

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

Take a business class sometime--it's called "Cost of Doing Business".

l2c

P.S. If you stop accepting PayPal you will most likely see a significant drop in the final bid amounts you get. Face it, it's a hassle for most people to go to the post office and get a money order, not to mention leaves the buyer with little to no recourse if you never send the item (or it gets lost in the mail or whatever). Not to mention that it can take days to weeks to get your money.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: luv2chill

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

Take a business class sometime--it's called "Cost of Doing Business".

l2c

P.S. If you stop accepting PayPal you will most likely see a significant drop in the final bid amounts you get. Face it, it's a hassle for most people to go to the post office and get a money order, not to mention leaves the buyer with little to no recourse if you never send the item (or it gets lost in the mail or whatever). Not to mention that it can take days to weeks to get your money.

Agreed, I don't bid if I can't pay via PayPal. There's that Buyer Protection policy, too. Gotta love that

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: luv2chill

Originally posted by: geno
WTF? I didn't know that - I'm going to stop accepting PayPal in that case. Why should the money come out of my pocket to use PP? Screw that.

Take a business class sometime--it's called "Cost of Doing Business".

l2c

P.S. If you stop accepting PayPal you will most likely see a significant drop in the final bid amounts you get. Face it, it's a hassle for most people to go to the post office and get a money order, not to mention leaves the buyer with little to no recourse if you never send the item (or it gets lost in the mail or whatever). Not to mention that it can take days to weeks to get your money.

Agreed, I don't bid if I can't pay via PayPal. There's that Buyer Protection policy, too. Gotta love that

 

[SweetSweetLeroyBrown]

if you don't like Paypal rules, DO NOT USE PAYPAL

I'm sick and tired of all these part time/wannabe "merchants" like, geno and Nebor, who think it is their right to use Paypal, but are too cheap to pay the fees!


STOP VIOLATGING TO RULES YOU CHEAP SKATES

 

[CrazyDe1]

I charge my paypal fees. There's clever ways to word things to discourage paypal use so that the policy doesn't apply.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
I charge my paypal fees. There's clever ways to word things to discourage paypal use so that the policy doesn't apply.

so you just admitted that you are one of the fvcking bitches who we all hate so much? if you are devising plans to rip people off, why dont you do us all a favor and cut your reproductive organs off?