News Seems to me our input in the US into Climate Change is affecting others in substantial damages across the Earth.

Amol S.

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Sinkholes happen.
But there occurrence has been increasing.


 

Red Squirrel

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The earth is fucked from global warming. The people that have the power to make big change are balls deep in the oil industry. Politicians, rich people in general etc. The oil industry pretty much runs the economy and they will not change that. The Paris accord was pretty much proof that they don't care and was just a big show to make people think they do. Let's have a bunch of elites flying in private jets going to a meeting that could have been an email! They want us to think that they care, but they don't. It's all about money. There's even talks of taxing EVs higher because you're not paying gas tax if you drive an EV.

I don't know if sink holes are caused by it, but there are so many other effects around the world we are seeing, including the permafrost melting, ice caps melting, hotter weather, more crazy weather in general etc. It's ramping up exponentially and we will soon reach the point of no return as it will cause a cascading runaway effect.

We're fucked.
 

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The earth is fucked from global warming. The people that have the power to make big change are balls deep in the oil industry. Politicians, rich people in general etc. The oil industry pretty much runs the economy and they will not change that. The Paris accord was pretty much proof that they don't care and was just a big show to make people think they do. Let's have a bunch of elites flying in private jets going to a meeting that could have been an email! They want us to think that they care, but they don't. It's all about money. There's even talks of taxing EVs higher because you're not paying gas tax if you drive an EV.

I don't know if sink holes are caused by it, but there are so many other effects around the world we are seeing, including the permafrost melting, ice caps melting, hotter weather, more crazy weather in general etc. It's ramping up exponentially and we will soon reach the point of no return as it will cause a cascading runaway effect.

We're fucked.


The whole time people cry about this shit they sit around using devices produced by the worst climate destroyers on the planet. They are all like " I cant live without my cellphone" and all this crap. Everyone fucking cries but no one actually makes a sacrifice.

This shit needs to go to shithole P&N.
 

Red Squirrel

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The whole time people cry about this shit they sit around using devices produced by the worst climate destroyers on the planet. They are all like " I cant live without my cellphone" and all this crap. Everyone fucking cries but no one actually makes a sacrifice.

This shit needs to go to shithole P&N.

I hate that argument so much it's retarded. Not like we have any choice in how things are produced. Consumers buy what is available and what is in stores. The changes need to happen at the top such as changing the fact that everything is designed to burn fossil fuel or contribute to pollution. Individual decisions are not going to do squat, it's large scale global decisions that need to happen. Getting off the bandwagon of burning fussil fuel, and making every industrial process based on it is what needs to change. Also need to stop shipping materials back and forth as a start at the very least. It's retarded that minerals are mined here, sent to china then the product send back here. It's shit like that which needs to change, and individual people don't have control over that.

Try buying a computer made in Canada. If you can find a company here that makes computers, from chips and everything, using green energy, I will buy it.
 

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The whole time people cry about this shit they sit around using devices produced by the worst climate destroyers on the planet. They are all like " I cant live without my cellphone" and all this crap. Everyone fucking cries but no one actually makes a sacrifice.

This shit needs to go to shithole P&N.

Those dumb fucks saying you can't survive without a cell phone these days!

Try being a successful part of the 1st world economy these days without a cellphone. Brilliant argument.
 
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I hate that argument so much it's retarded. Not like we have any choice in how things are produced. Consumers buy what is available and what is in stores. The changes need to happen at the top such as changing the fact that everything is designed to burn fossil fuel or contribute to pollution. Individual decisions are not going to do squat, it's large scale global decisions that need to happen. Getting off the bandwagon of burning fussil fuel, and making every industrial process based on it is what needs to change. Also need to stop shipping materials back and forth as a start at the very least. It's retarded that minerals are mined here, sent to china then the product send back here. It's shit like that which needs to change, and individual people don't have control over that.

Try buying a computer made in Canada. If you can find a company here that makes computers, from chips and everything, using green energy, I will buy it.
The consumer certainly has a say. Saying things like "oh my minor change won't have any impact since everyone else will keep doing it" is why nothing changes. Make concious changes and others will see you doing it and will do similar, eventually it snowballs and in our capitalist world if more people stop buying things that affect the environment, then there is no incentive to continue producing them.

If you are going to get on your high and mighty chair and say "OIL IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD" then I trust you've switched to all paper everything (no plastics), you've traded in your truck for a more efficient vehicle or electric, and you consciously support companies that participate in their supply chain being "greener". Opting out of this by saying well my difference won't matter is the reason why things take so long. Don't wait for your politicians to make it an unfair market by regulating things.
 
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The consumer certainly has a say. Saying things like "oh my minor change won't have any impact since everyone else will keep doing it" is why nothing changes. Make concious changes and others will see you doing it and will do similar, eventually it snowballs and in our capitalist world if more people stop buying things that affect the environment, then there is no incentive to continue producing them.

If you are going to get on your high and mighty chair and say "OIL IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD" then I trust you've switched to all paper everything (no plastics), you've traded in your truck for a more efficient vehicle or electric, and you consciously support companies that participate in their supply chain being "greener". Opting out of this by saying well my difference won't matter is the reason why things take so long. Don't wait for your politicians to make it an unfair market by regulating things.
The fossil-fuel industry can survive a lot longer without my business than most of us can survive without their products. The idea that we can induce change individually is nonsense. Collective-action changes require collective-action policies.
 
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skyking

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geology happens.......at a really fucking slow pace. Cry harder about more sinkholes, and give it your best shot at tying it to climate change. But you have to use real science.
 
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As per reports, the residential society had covered an old well with reinforced concrete to use it as parking space. The concrete washed away due to the rain which resulted in the car sinking in the well, and drowning completely.
I don't think you can reasonably blame this one on US-contributed climate change. If you're going to cover a well with a parking space in a region that's had monsoon season for a very long time, you can't be that surprised when a sinkhole forms.
 

skyking

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You fill a hole like that with one to two foot concrete rubble, mixing it with smaller materials as you come up. It won't leach out or wash away easily. If they used reinforced concrete, they sure didn't tie it to any sort of well casing which was probably hand stacked rocks anyway. That was just a setup for failure. One of my wife's friends was gardening and stepped in an abandoned well on the corner of her property that they had no idea was there. Luckily she wasn't injured. I filled the well with pea gravel, then used a roto Hammer to drill dowels in to the concrete 18 inch diameter casing. I built a grid of number four rebar on that and poured it with 4 inches of concrete tied to the casing that way.
 

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The fossil-fuel industry can survive a lot longer without my business than most of us can survive without their products. The idea that we can induce change individually is nonsense. Collective-action changes require collective-action policies.

Yeah so many people don't seem to understand this.

We buy what is available it's that simple and right now everything that is available has a high carbon footprint because everything is designed that way. If there were green alternatives then we would buy that, but in lot of cases there aren't. If I could buy a used electric truck for the same price as my gas one, I would have bought electric, but there is no such thing. If I could buy products that were manufactured using green energy and using sustainable materials, I would buy those, but I can't. etc... it's ridiculous to just expect people to 100% give up everything and live like an amish. That is NOT the solution. The solution is to make everything sustainable and green starting from the top.

Also using oil to make things like plastic is NOT the same as burning fossil fuel. So the antic I always hear people say like "But that wind turbine uses oil!11!" is ridiculous. Of course there's the issue of planned obsolecense, which means lot of stuff ends up in the landfill, that's another thing that needs to stop, and consumers don't really have control over that either. This whole trend of electronics requiring an account and to be tied to the cloud is a good example of this. Phones, drones, cameras, consoles.... almost everything it seems these days requires it. So 5-10 years down the line when they shut down the servers it's basically a door stop. Stuff like this needs to stop.

I plan to eventually live off grid once I find land and a WFH job and go full green. For things like tractor, ski doo, fourwheeler etc I will need to build everything myself if I want to go full electric. It's absurd to expect everyone to do this. What needs to happen is these types of things need to actually be available from the get go.

They also need to work on more sustainable sourcing of materials for batteries etc, as that is not perfect either, but at least the batteries are a one time thing. Same with solar panels, wind turbines etc, yeah there is a footprint but it's one time. But they still need to reduce that as best as possible.
 

Torn Mind

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So they covered up a well and didn't tell anyone.


Not surprising since it is India. Their standards are lower there, even for electricity....
 

Torn Mind

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But there occurrence has been increasing.


Sewer line ruptures in article one. Meaning man wanted convenience but the city didn't have budget to maintain the line prior to catastrophic failure.