Seeking Recommendations for a quality AIO

[aigomorla]

Any AIO requires you to use their software, you're just asking for problems if you don't.

im lost in this statement.....

why are you asking for trouble?
Most AIO's if not all are made by Astek, which can mostly be run without software.

What does the software really do if anything? It just a adaptation of speedfan in somewhat to control voltage across the fan header which bios can do fine.

So im lost in why your saying you are asking for problems if you dont when i see the software more as bloatware which one doesn't really need, if you have things configured properly in bios.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

im lost in this statement.....

why are you asking for trouble?
Most AIO's if not all are made by Astek, which can mostly be run without software.

What does the software really do if anything? It just a adaptation of speedfan in somewhat to control voltage across the fan header which bios can do fine.

So im lost in why your saying you are asking for problems if you dont when i see the software more as bloatware which one doesn't really need, if you have things configured properly in bios.

You know . . . I was too reticent in providing the same answer, but it's perfectly logical.

If the AiO pump has its own direct connection -- I'd think PWM -- then if the motherboard contains a "pump" PWM port, and it configures an RPM versus temperature curve within BIOS, you'd be able to control the fans separately through probably other PWM motherboard ports and -- as desired -- a PWM splitter. Why would it be more complicated than that?

And I also lend some weight to what you say, that avoiding use of Windows software to create fan and pump profiles is the way to go. At least with the ASUS recent-gen boards, there's no reason to install the AI Suite software, unless you want the monitoring feature. But the problem I had with that software on my Saber Z170: it left hooks in the system and required special attention to de-installation.

 

[JeepinEd]

With time running out on my return ticket for the deffective Eisbaer and not having found a decent all copper solution, I decided to go with the Kraken X62. I asked the Amazon community, and received several replies from people who have it connected directly to their board's controllers. I read somewhere that Lian Li is supposed to be coming out with an all copper solution soon. We'll see.

Thanks for the help.

 

[XavierMace]

im lost in this statement.....

why are you asking for trouble?
Most AIO's if not all are made by Astek, which can mostly be run without software.

What does the software really do if anything? It just a adaptation of speedfan in somewhat to control voltage across the fan header which bios can do fine.

So im lost in why your saying you are asking for problems if you dont when i see the software more as bloatware which one doesn't really need, if you have things configured properly in bios.

I don't know about you, but I've got my fan curves set based off liquid temps which you won't get without the software. It will also alert you to a pump failure.

Also, if you care about the bling, that's going to need the software.

 

[aigomorla]

I don't know about you, but I've got my fan curves set based off liquid temps which you won't get without the software. It will also alert you to a pump failure.

Also, if you care about the bling, that's going to need the software.

??

why would you care about coolant temp vs cpu temp?
The only time i even ask members to look at coolant temp is to trouble shoot there lcs system when something doesnt seem right.
Afterall, coolant temp will effect the cpu plate temp which then translates to cpu temp.

Most PWM profiles in bios you can manually set fan curves based on cpu temp.
That means u can adjust pump speed and fan speed if your pump is connected to a pump designated cpu header which most boards are now coming out with.
(of course this only applies to AIO's and not real LCS pumps so please never put a 2amp pump header on the board.)
If the RPM sensor on the pump is connected to the CPU fan header, you can have the PC warn you as well in bios.

That section in bios should look something like this:

I do agree with you on the single bling aspect, you cant control the LED's on your cpu block without the software, but overall the software is not required if you dont care about the LED being white.

But overall i still dont think not having the software is a recipy for doom.
Infact i have serveral AIO's which i do not run the software for.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Hardly worth mentioning, in light of AigoMorla's pontifical mastery of these things. But the temperature sensor closest to the source or item being cooled would provide the most robust "temperature control" of pump speed or fan speed or both.

I wouldn't "diss" someone with a rig that had sensors immersed in the water loop. But I'd look for the CPU Tj sensors of the processor to provide the widest variation of temperature giving the most robust control of temperature.

 

[dlerious]

I wouldn't "diss" someone with a rig that had sensors immersed in the water loop. But I'd look for the CPU Tj sensors of the processor to provide the widest variation of temperature giving the most robust control of temperature.

They make them http://www.performance-pcs.com/aqua...internal-external-thread-g1-4-for-vision.html . I also have some Koolance and probably Monsoon around.

 

[JeepinEd]

Well, I just finished installing the Kraken X62. I connected the fans to my MB, and am bypassing the CAM software altogether. The only drawback is that I can't change the color of the logo, so I'm stuck with white. Temps seem to be about the same as the Eisbaer 240 that I replaced. Not super happy with it, but It'll do for now. All those extra wires from the pump make for a messier looking motherboard. I did notice a large air bubble in the Eisbaer pump, when I removed it. I don't know if there was an air pocket in the radiator that made it's way to the pump, or if there was water loss somewhere. I'm guessing that was the cause of the rattling sound the pump was making.

 

[XavierMace]

??

why would you care about coolant temp vs cpu temp?
The only time i even ask members to look at coolant temp is to trouble shoot there lcs system when something doesnt seem right.
Afterall, coolant temp will effect the cpu plate temp which then translates to cpu temp.

I've seen AIO's hit the max safety limit for coolant temps before hitting max safety limit for CPU temp.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Well, I just finished installing the Kraken X62. I connected the fans to my MB, and am bypassing the CAM software altogether. The only drawback is that I can't change the color of the logo, so I'm stuck with white. Temps seem to be about the same as the Eisbaer 240 that I replaced. Not super happy with it, but It'll do for now. All those extra wires from the pump make for a messier looking motherboard. I did notice a large air bubble in the Eisbaer pump, when I removed it. I don't know if there was an air pocket in the radiator that made it's way to the pump, or if there was water loss somewhere. I'm guessing that was the cause of the rattling sound the pump was making.

Screw the damn LED lights! If the software doesn't make your configuration flaky, I suppose it doesn't matter if the bling makes you happy. None of us can completely avoid succumbing to the power of bling a little bit here and there.

But the simpler the configuration toward the same end, the better it is -- in my opinion. And I appreciate your post because I now have a reasonable idea as to what I could expect with a Kraken X62. Like you, I don't like the idea that it mixes copper and aluminum parts. Or was that the case?

They make them http://www.performance-pcs.com/aqua...internal-external-thread-g1-4-for-vision.html . I also have some Koolance and probably Monsoon around.

I guess my response is partly embedded in my simplicity thoughts above. Someone had made a note that cooler temperature limits could be exceeded before CPU limits, but I wonder if that's a practical worry.

Peformance-PCs -- I love that outfit for its selection. And hope they stay in business. I think they operate in hurricane territory, but I've seldom had any experience with delayed shipping . . .