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Seeking Financial advice....

Doboji

Diamond Member
I have to admit to myself that I do an awful job managing my money, and I believe it's time to get one of those financial planners/managers/whatever.... Whatever their fee is can't be higher than the amount of money I manage stupidly in the course of the year. Does anyone have any experience with this, and who do you have any recommendations as to who I should work with? I'd really appreciate it.

-Max
 
obligatory go to vanguard.com, sign up, and put the max ammt in an ira(4k this year) and the rest in a reg acct. buy vfinx with both

edit: is it that you buy too much??? just buy less. there is no point in paying someone to tell you not to spend money
 
If you own a house you should make 1 extra payment a year write a separate check for loan premium this will pay off a 30yr loan in about 15. That?s one thing I learned in a finance class I took in college.
 
I guess a financial planner can help some people. But you really have to help yourself. If you disobey the planner to follow your money spending whims, then the planner does nothing. So whether you get a planner or not, you need to learn to control yourself. Several of us on ATOT love to give general advice in that area. Is there anything in particular that you are having trouble with?
 
Originally posted by: dullard
I guess a financial planner can help some people. But you really have to help yourself. If you disobey the planner to follow your money spending whims, then the planner does nothing. So whether you get a planner or not, you need to learn to control yourself. Several of us on ATOT love to give general advice in that area. Is there anything in particular that you are having trouble with?

It's more than just spending...

I have 2 credit cards 2 savings accounts, 2 Checking accounts, 1 joint checking account... my fiancee has 1 savings, 1 checking and 2 credit cards.

Money is going all over the damn place... I start a new job next week, I'm trying to pay for a wedding. There are 401Ks, IRAs, Employee stock purchase plan, her 401K, etc etc etc... I'd like to play the stock market a bit, there are a zillion finanical instruments out there... I want to live well now, and be rich later... I thought I knew what I was doing but here we are 3 months into living together and I have managed to save a grand total of $600... not good.

I need some help... and just spending less isn't gonna cut it...

-Max
 
Planners are great at helping you determine where/how to invest your savings based on your financial horizon and risk tolerance. But they aren't the right choice to help you figure out where your money is going.

If the issue is budgeting/tracking your expenses, all you need is Quicken and some self-discipline.
 
Unless you make loads of money, the cost/benefit of a financial planner wouldn't really be significant. Also, 9/10 financial planners have no real qualifications so you'll be even more screwed if you end up with a bad one. Heck, if you were to hire me (I'm in IT), you'd be better off than more than half the financial planners out there.

It sounds like you just have trouble saving money - just max out your 401k and Roth IRA and have it be pulled straight out of your paycheck so you don't even notice it being gone. Making additional payments to a house are also good. You can PM me if you need some help getting started.
 
Check out the Fatwallet Finance forums. There's a plethora of information there, and its a good starting point
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
It's more than just spending...

I have 2 credit cards 2 savings accounts, 2 Checking accounts, 1 joint checking account... my fiancee has 1 savings, 1 checking and 2 credit cards.

Money is going all over the damn place... I start a new job next week, I'm trying to pay for a wedding. There are 401Ks, IRAs, Employee stock purchase plan, her 401K, etc etc etc... I'd like to play the stock market a bit, there are a zillion finanical instruments out there... I want to live well now, and be rich later... I thought I knew what I was doing but here we are 3 months into living together and I have managed to save a grand total of $600... not good.
My best advice would be to start by simplifing. Here are some potential things to try:

1) Too many savings/checking accounts. You could survive yourself by cutting one of your savings accounts and one of your checking accounts. Many people like to open sparate accounts for everything. But it is just as easy to do all in one account.
2) Maybe you shouldn't worry so much about your fiancee's accounts at this point. For now, they are hers with her money.
3) With 401Ks and other employer based investments, just pick a few funds and forget it. Leave it and don't look back for 1 year. Then once a year rebalance your funds. Partially sell the funds that did well in that year, and use that money to buy the funds that did poorly that year. Then you are always selling high and buying low. Doing this will beat 95% of 401Ks that people try to overmanage. Just set it and forget it.
4) Forget playing the stock market for now. Too much stress and you have too much on your plate as it is. When your wedding is over, you'll have thousands of dollars in cash and checks as gifts. Maybe use that for your stock fun.
5) For all reputable companies, have them automatically bill you. If available, automatically charge your electricity, phone, water, gas, cable, internet, etc to your credit card. Then you don't have to worry about those bills. If not available, you can automatically deduct from your checking account.

Then track your spending. For a couple of months, write down everything you spend in simple categories: clothes, grocery store, eating out, entertainment, utilities, rent, school, vehicles, etc. Use specialized software, a simple Excel spreadsheet, or heck even a pad of paper. Do this to find out where your money is going. For example, I always thought I over-spent on gifts to others. It turned out that gifts were about 0.5% of my total budget. I could double the size of the gifts and not even notice it. Same thing for my entertainment spending. I wasn't spending much there, so trying to cut back on it would be difficult and would not accomplish much. However, I was spending way too much of my income on fast food. I chose to eat in just a little more often and it made a huge impact on my ability to save.

Finally, write a simple budget. Put the knowledge of what you spend to use. Set a few goals: cut back certain areas and increase others (such as saving for your wedding). Realize that budgets must be flexible. But now at least you have a solid plan that isn't futile.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
It's more than just spending...

I have 2 credit cards 2 savings accounts, 2 Checking accounts, 1 joint checking account... my fiancee has 1 savings, 1 checking and 2 credit cards.

Money is going all over the damn place... I start a new job next week, I'm trying to pay for a wedding. There are 401Ks, IRAs, Employee stock purchase plan, her 401K, etc etc etc... I'd like to play the stock market a bit, there are a zillion finanical instruments out there... I want to live well now, and be rich later... I thought I knew what I was doing but here we are 3 months into living together and I have managed to save a grand total of $600... not good.

I need some help... and just spending less isn't gonna cut it...

-Max
You're right, saving only $600 over 3 months is not good. It sounds like you're spending way too much money and that is where you have to look first. Stop using those credit cards and pay them off in full every month. If you can't pay off your credit cards every month that means you're spending beyond your financial means. Pay in cash until you can do so. Your desire "to live well now" will make it much more difficult for you to "be rich later."

Isn't your 401k already being automatically taken out of your salary? Or are you asking what it should be invested in? Haven't you already taken care of this year's IRA? You should put a hold on playing "the stock market" until you've taken care of the first two.


 
lots of advice but the biggest thing you need to do is sit down and sort out a budget. you need to take what you make, and figure out what you spend on a monthly basis. you also need to gather all the relevent information of what you owe, at what rate and what your minimum payments are. forget all the advice on opening up retirement accounts, thats not addressing your problem of ignoring your finanaces. That'll just become another place where you dont know where money is going.
Sit down with your wife, come up with what you think is a fair budget. I recommend all money going to a central savings account(ing or presidential) with all household expenses coming out of that account, and two personal checking accounts with which you fund with automatic transfers out of ing with $xxx based on what you two come up with as discretionary spending money for each person. that money is yours and yours alone to spend as you damn well please. same goes for her.
Again the biggest key is to sit down and go to the basics. how much you bring in vrs how much goes out with the knowledge of how much you owe.
 
Sit down and get Money or Quicken set up. Use it religiously. You need to shut down some extraneous accounts.

Find out exactly what you spend money on and you'll begin to see what you can start to save on. Get rid of any accounts that cost you money to maintain.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Doboji
It's more than just spending...

I have 2 credit cards 2 savings accounts, 2 Checking accounts, 1 joint checking account... my fiancee has 1 savings, 1 checking and 2 credit cards.

Money is going all over the damn place... I start a new job next week, I'm trying to pay for a wedding. There are 401Ks, IRAs, Employee stock purchase plan, her 401K, etc etc etc... I'd like to play the stock market a bit, there are a zillion finanical instruments out there... I want to live well now, and be rich later... I thought I knew what I was doing but here we are 3 months into living together and I have managed to save a grand total of $600... not good.
My best advice would be to start by simplifing. Here are some potential things to try:

1) Too many savings/checking accounts. You could survive yourself by cutting one of your savings accounts and one of your checking accounts. Many people like to open sparate accounts for everything. But it is just as easy to do all in one account.
2) Maybe you shouldn't worry so much about your fiancee's accounts at this point. For now, they are hers with her money.
3) With 401Ks and other employer based investments, just pick a few funds and forget it. Leave it and don't look back for 1 year. Then once a year rebalance your funds. Partially sell the funds that did well in that year, and use that money to buy the funds that did poorly that year. Then you are always selling high and buying low. Doing this will beat 95% of 401Ks that people try to overmanage. Just set it and forget it.
4) Forget playing the stock market for now. Too much stress and you have too much on your plate as it is. When your wedding is over, you'll have thousands of dollars in cash and checks as gifts. Maybe use that for your stock fun.
5) For all reputable companies, have them automatically bill you. If available, automatically charge your electricity, phone, water, gas, cable, internet, etc to your credit card. Then you don't have to worry about those bills. If not available, you can automatically deduct from your checking account.

Then track your spending. For a couple of months, write down everything you spend in simple categories: clothes, grocery store, eating out, entertainment, utilities, rent, school, vehicles, etc. Use specialized software, a simple Excel spreadsheet, or heck even a pad of paper. Do this to find out where your money is going. For example, I always thought I over-spent on gifts to others. It turned out that gifts were about 0.5% of my total budget. I could double the size of the gifts and not even notice it. Same thing for my entertainment spending. I wasn't spending much there, so trying to cut back on it would be difficult and would not accomplish much. However, I was spending way too much of my income on fast food. I chose to eat in just a little more often and it made a huge impact on my ability to save.

Finally, write a simple budget. Put the knowledge of what you spend to use. Set a few goals: cut back certain areas and increase others (such as saving for your wedding). Realize that budgets must be flexible. But now at least you have a solid plan that isn't futile.


Some sound advice. ^^^

I would tell you but I'm too lazy to budget or keep track of my spending. I spend a lot but luckily I make even more so it all work out for me.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
A wedding is a terrible idea if you're in a poor financial situation.
Agreed. He and the fiance should hold off on that wedding until both of them have straightented out their finances. Neither should have any CC debt and they need to work out a budget. Too many marriages fail because of money problems. Fiscally smart today, better chance of being rich later.

 
Originally posted by: zendari
Here come the liberals hijacking the thread. A wedding is a terrible idea if you're in a poor financial situation.

Ah, so


Originally posted by: zendari
Ditch the wedding. Get a brain.


isn't hijacking? :roll:

Getting married can do wonders for ones finances. Had it occured to you that people might be more responsible once they get married?

"Get a brain?" - You should really practice what you preach.

To the OP: Good luck. Sorry to call out this loser in your thread, but the targeted post was garbage and needed an appropriate response. Again, good luck in your finances and your wedding.
 
Some financial advisors specialize in helping people like you. However it's up to you to put into practice what they suggest.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Getting married can do wonders for ones finances. Had it occured to you that people might be more responsible once they get married?

Wedding <> marraige. You can get married by filling out some paperwork at City Hall. A wedding is major $.

 
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