See Something, Say something does work sometimes - even in FL

[allisolm]

On Monday a video was posted through Snapchat of hands opening a case with an AR-15-style tactical rifle, loading it and picking it up, and it was captioned "Don't go to school."

At about 4:15PM someone reported it to the Sheriff's office. By 5PM the CID had identified the poster and deputies arrived at his home. He admitted to sending it and he was arrested .

Perpetrator is an 18 yr-old 12th grader.

I don't know if he would actually have followed through, but this time, at least, everything/everybody worked together to prevent it.

http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/did-wakulla-county-deputies-just-foil-parkland-copy-cat

 

[realibrad]

On Monday a video was posted through Snapchat of hands opening a case with an AR-15-style tactical rifle, loading it and picking it up, and it was captioned "Don't go to school."

At about 4:15PM someone reported it to the Sheriff's office. By 5PM the CID had identified the poster and deputies arrived at his home. He admitted to sending it and he was arrested .

Perpetrator is an 18 yr-old 12th grader.

I don't know if he would actually have followed through, but this time, at least, everything/everybody worked together to prevent it.

http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/did-wakulla-county-deputies-just-foil-parkland-copy-cat

Brilliant! A lot of these shooters are looking for attention, and will let people know what they are about to do. If we listen and people do their jobs, we can save lives.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Brilliant! A lot of these shooters are looking for attention, and will let people know what they are about to do. If we listen and people do their jobs, we can save lives.

We also have to empower the people who would deal with it to actually be able to do something. Right now Florida is fighting hard to prohibit mental health professionals asking patients if they have access to guns. There's only one reason a MH professional would ask that question. They think someone is a danger and want to measure how great that risk is. The state supreme court already overturned the law but Gov. Scott is fighting tooth and nail to institute it. For all the GOP talk of mental health this is just one of many examples of them doing the opposite of what they say needs to be addressed.

 

[realibrad]

We also have to empower the people who would deal with it to actually be able to do something. Right now Florida is fighting hard to prohibit mental health professionals asking patients if they have access to guns. There's only one reason a MH professional would ask that question. They think someone is a danger and want to measure how great that risk is. The state supreme court already overturned the law but Gov. Scott is fighting tooth and nail to institute it. For all the GOP talk of mental health this is just one of many examples of them doing the opposite of what they say needs to be addressed.

I believe that issue was not about mental health doctors, but other general care doctors asking about guns. I also thought it was stopped.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ing-doctors-from-discussing-guns-with-patient

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I believe that issue was not about mental health doctors, but other general care doctors asking about guns. I also thought it was stopped.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ing-doctors-from-discussing-guns-with-patient

It was all medical professionals, including mental health. The court blocked it but Scott is appealing it as we speak.

 

[interchange]

I'm not in Florida, but as I understood it the law never included mental health professionals. It was targeted at pediatricians where asking about gun ownership in households and advising about gun safety is a routine intervention attempting to prevent gun accidents and suicides.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'm not in Florida, but as I understood it the law never included mental health professionals. It was targeted at pediatricians where asking about gun ownership in households and advising about gun safety is a routine intervention attempting to prevent gun accidents and suicides.

The law didn’t specify Pediatricians.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=44993

It had an exception for the safety of patients or others but that would have required a specific threat being made to harm one self or others.

 

[realibrad]

I'm not in Florida, but as I understood it the law never included mental health professionals. It was targeted at pediatricians where asking about gun ownership in households and advising about gun safety is a routine intervention attempting to prevent gun accidents and suicides.

I am in Florida and I remember it for pediatricians.

 

[realibrad]

I found why. It started because of a pediatrician.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Secti...entType=Analysis&BillNumber=0155&Session=2011

In recent months, there has been media attention surrounding an incident in Ocala, Florida, where, during a routine doctor’s visit, a pediatrician asked a patient’s mother whether there were firearms in the home. The doctor stated that he asked all of his patients the same question in an effort to provide safety advice in the event there was a firearm in the home. The mother, however, felt that the question invaded her privacy. This incident has led many to question whether it should be an accepted practice for a doctor to inquire about a patient’s firearm ownership.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I am in Florida and I remember it for pediatricians.

Read the bill. It does not specify Pediatricians and classifies a wide range of medical professionals as prohibited, including psychological services.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Secti...entType=Analysis&BillNumber=0155&Session=2011

 

[UNCjigga]

So...is anyone taking his guns? Will he lose the ability to buy additional firearms? I'm doubtful.

 

[realibrad]

So...is anyone taking his guns? Will he lose the ability to buy additional firearms? I'm doubtful.

It depends. If someone who was mentally ill used a car to kill someone, would you ban that person from driving after they have received treatment?

 

[mdram]

gun surrended
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...charged-creating-threatening-video/353503002/

 

[UNCjigga]

It depends. If someone who was mentally ill used a car to kill someone, would you ban that person from driving after they have received treatment?

I would imagine vehicular homicide with intent would be a felony and result in a suspended license at minimum + incarceration... No idea how long that would last, but I bet he might have trouble buying a car with the felony conviction. The law isn't kind to people with mental illness who commit murder.

 

[realibrad]

I would imagine vehicular homicide with intent would be a felony and result in a suspended license at minimum + incarceration... No idea how long that would last, but I bet he might have trouble buying a car with the felony conviction. The law isn't kind to people with mental illness who commit murder.

Mental illness can be used as a defense, and if the person is found not guilty due to that, how would you limit their car use?

 

[mect]

It depends. If someone who was mentally ill used a car to kill someone, would you ban that person from driving after they have received treatment?

What the fuck is up with people and their comparisons of cars and guns?

 

[realibrad]

What the fuck is up with people and their comparisons of cars and guns?

Well, using another subject in place can help you and others understand the situation. Its common when people are trying to understand things.

So, if the question is should we limit x because of action y, then lets swap the variables to see if the logic for one set is the same as the other. If we can find contradictions, are the reasons unique to that set or should we reexamine our logic.

Make sense?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Well, using another subject in place can help you and others understand the situation. Its common when people are trying to understand things.

So, if the question is should we limit x because of action y, then lets swap the variables to see if the logic for one set is the same as the other. If we can find contradictions, are the reasons unique to that set or should we reexamine our logic.

Make sense?

That would only make sense if the primary use of each object were the same and/or the occurrences of each being used in the manner being compared is the same. I have no idea how many times a year vehicles are used primarily as a weapon. I do know that vehicles are used daily for their primary purpose at a rate of hundreds of millions of times without event.

 

[realibrad]

That would only make sense if the primary use of each object were the same and/or the occurrences of each being used in the manner being compared is the same. I have no idea how many times a year vehicles are used primarily as a weapon. I do know that vehicles are used daily for their primary purpose at a rate of hundreds of millions of times without event.

If you look at them in terms of their abstraction, the car and gun could be used in the same way by someone mentally ill. That is why I said that you must look at the set to see if the reason it does not work is unique to that set.

 

[mect]

If you look at them in terms of their abstraction, the car and gun could be used in the same way by someone mentally ill. That is why I said that you must look at the set to see if the reason it does not work is unique to that set.

Yes, but the point is there are other factors that are far more significant in the case of cars vs guns. A person can have a hard time even securing employment without a car in America. A person can lead a perfectly fine life without a gun. I understand the idea of comparisons being useful if they are good comparisons. The problem is that guns and cars are a bad comparison.

 

[realibrad]

Yes, but the point is there are other factors that are far more significant in the case of cars vs guns. A person can have a hard time even securing employment without a car in America. A person can lead a perfectly fine life without a gun. I understand the idea of comparisons being useful if they are good comparisons. The problem is that guns and cars are a bad comparison.

In some ways its not useful but in other ways it can be. My example fits perfectly fine. Your points are valid in many other hypothetical situations.

 

[Moonbeam]

In some ways its not useful but in other ways it can be. My example fits perfectly fine. Your points are valid in many other hypothetical situations.

How come your seem to have no trouble seeing the applicability of your analogies and so much trouble seeing mine?

I think the problem is that you have shifted the context to mentally ill now from once was mentally ill. We are not really talking about people who have successfully addressed whatever factors may have caused them to go mental. For example, insurance companies treat teen drivers as if they were mentally ill, an illness one recovers from apparently spontaneously in a matter of years.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh. ...back to cars again.

 

[interchange]

Read the bill. It does not specify Pediatricians and classifies a wide range of medical professionals as prohibited, including psychological services.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Secti...entType=Analysis&BillNumber=0155&Session=2011

Pediatric screening practice was the impetus and main target, the bill however was generalized, but mental health professionals were excluded.

 

[realibrad]

How come your seem to have no trouble seeing the applicability of your analogies and so much trouble seeing mine?

Perhaps its not a folly on my side

To be fair I often don't. I think you do get things wrong, and I have never once see you change your position. I don't mean that to provoke, but I cannot recall a single time where you have accused someone of thinking or feeling something and then retracted that.

I think the problem is that you have shifted the context to mentally ill now from once was mentally ill. We are not really talking about people who have successfully addressed whatever factors may have caused them to go mental. For example, insurance companies treat teen drivers as if they were mentally ill, an illness one recovers from apparently spontaneously in a matter of years.

Or being a Young Male.

The context was if the gun(s) would be taken away from this kid. If this was due to mental illness that can be rectified, then I see no reason they would take them away. If the illness cannot be addressed, they may take them away. He may not be ill at all and that would be a whole different path to talk about.