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Sedition - Say What

piasabird

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On my commute to work today I heard a clip on the local talk show of a reporter trying to claim that the action of a peaceful protest like a Tea Party should be called Sedition against the government. So I thought that this was something new.

Do you remember Bush lied - people died?

The only time I have ever heard the term sedition used is in films like Last of the Mohicans and the Patriot. Not only that they were used by military officers in the British Army used to describe Americans around the time of the Revolutionary War. Usually this proceeded their being Hanged for crimes against the Crown.

It seems this kind of language is coming from the Liberal Machine. It is being drudged up by peolpe on the Liberal side. This is not a good idea unless the people on the left want the people on the right to considered Left Wingers to be Pompous King Men and tyrants of the worst kind. This is pure hate speech.

In the USA we dont have a king and we do not use the term Sedition. We consider it our right to protest the government. What kind of pompous bastard uses the term Sedition???

The term King-Men comes from the Book of Mormon. It refers to people trying to overthrow the government and install their own king. So who is suppose to be the Crown or the King that Tea Party people could be charged with Sedition? Is it King O'Bummah?
 
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Moonbeam

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On my commute to work today I heard a clip on the local talk show of a reporter trying to claim that the action of a peaceful protest like a Tea Party should be called Sedition against the government. So I thought that this was something new.

Do you remember Bush lied - people died?

The only time I have ever heard the term sedition used is in films like Last of the Mohicans and the Patriot. Not only that they were used by military officers in the British Army used to describe Americans around the time of the Revolutionary War. Usually this proceeded their being Hanged for crimes against the Crown.

It seems this kind of language is coming from the Liberal Machine. It is being drudged up by peolpe on the Liberal side. This is not a good idea unless the people on the left want the people on the right to considered Left Wingers to be Pompous King Men and tyrants of the worst kind. This is pure hate speech.

In the USA we dont have a king and we do not use the term Sedition. We consider it our right to protest the government. What kind of pompous bastard uses the term Sedition???

The term King-Men comes from the Book of Mormon. It refers to people trying to overthrow the government and install their own king. So who is suppose to be the Crown or the King that Tea Party people could be charged with Sedition? Is it King O'Bummah?
Everything was going good until I got to King O'Bummah and then I knew I was listening to an asshole who should be shot for treason.
 

Red Dawn

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Everything was going good until I got to King O'Bummah and then I knew I was listening to an asshole who should be shot for treason.
That's just great moron, now the spun to tight Right Wingers are going to use your comment as proof of their point.
 

Thump553

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Actually the Mormons know a lot about sedition, having taken up arms in a revolution against the USA back when Utah was a territory (commonly known as the Utah Wars). And sedition is one of the very few crimes specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

The reporter (more likely a commentator) the OP referred to was an idiot if he/she actually said what the OP said. The tea party demonstrations don't come remotely close to the crime of sedition.

But I don't think any rational person thinks that the Tea Party calls for armed resistance/rebellion against the federal government is even a remotely desirable course of action. How many hundreds more are going to be killed by the next Timothy McVeigh? In many regards the tea party folks are the spiritual descendents of the SDS and Weathermen of the late 60's/early 70's. Same methodology, just different stated goals.
 

Descartes

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IMO, statements like "Bush lied, thousands died" or similar is a far cry from the inciting that occurs in the Tea Party. A "Obama is a terrible POTUS" or similar is far different from painting him with a Hitler 'stache, saying he's out to destroy America, he's a Muslim, "reload!" from Palin, etc. etc. It's like banjo music to the Ozarks... it gets people fired up.

And I'd levy the same opinion on those that called Bush Hitler, the Anti-Christ, etc. during his administration. It has no place in a society that purports to be an example for the world. It's an embarrassment.
 

JSt0rm

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well as long as the teabaggers stay in the freespeech zones we wont have a problem.
 

Moonbeam

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That's just great moron, now the spun to tight Right Wingers are going to use your comment as proof of their point.
They might and you might but I know they will never see what moronic points they make unless I show them one that is opposite but equal. And I'm happy to do it because it only costs me my weekly allowance for delicious irony.
 

Perknose

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In the USA we dont have a king and we do not use the term Sedition.
We don't have a King, but, as usual, your abject ignorance of the history of your own country knows no bounds.

There is a long history in the US of sedition being a formal crime. I refer you to the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, and the Sedition Act of 1918.

Sedition is also a specific crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Not only do we still use the term sedition, it is a federal offense under the Smith Act of 1940, and members of the Socialist Workers Party and the Communist Party have been convicted under it.

In fact, just this year members of the whack job Hutaree militia were charged with seditious conspiracy.

So sorry you only saw it a film, sport, and so think "we don't use the term Sediton" in the USA, but we do. Maybe you should get your civics from more reliable sources.
 

CallMeJoe

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We don't have a King, but, as usual, your abject ignorance of the history of your own country knows no bounds...
All you have are your damned facts. piasabird has his moral outrage against our Kenyan Muslim Marxist President!
 

Jaskalas

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Sedition - Say What
Interchangeable with treason?

My feelings on the matter is that those who throw charges wish to cast away civility and get to the heart of the matter. That we are two people divided and we have no business forcing ourselves upon one another.
 

Danube

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This is the same stuff that goes on under Chavez. Opposition is demonized and criminalized. Chavez closes opposition radio and TV denouncing them as a “permanent attack on public morals.” The left wrote books and made movies and plays about assassinating Bush. Now they fear the quite mild Tea Party protests (one with a Hitler sign CNN showed over and over last summer turned out to be A Dem staffer of pol being protested)



Today there was an article about how Dick Morris plotted with Clinton to tie GOP to McVeigh

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"How Clinton exploited Oklahoma City for political gain"



Clinton was in deep political trouble in April 1995. Six months earlier, voters had resoundingly rejected Democrats in the 1994 mid-term elections, giving the GOP control of both House and Senate. Polls showed the public viewed Clinton as weak, incompetent and ineffective...

And then came the explosion at the Murrah Federal Building. In addition to seeing a criminal act and human loss, Clinton and Morris saw opportunity.If the White House could tie Gingrich, congressional Republicans and conservative voices like Rush Limbaugh to the attack, then Clinton might gain the edge in the fight against the GOP. Morris began polling about Oklahoma City almost immediately after the bombing. On April 23, four days after the attack, Clinton appeared to point the finger straight at his political opponents during a speech in Minneapolis. "We hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other," he said. "They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable."

At a White House meeting four days later, on April 27, Morris presented Clinton with a comeback strategy based on his polling. Morris prepared an extensive agenda for the session, a copy of which he would include in the paperback version of his 1999 memoir, Behind the Oval Office. This is how the April 27 agenda began:
AFTERMATH OF OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING

A. Temporary gain: boost in ratings -- here today, gone tomorrow

B. More permanent gain: Improvements in character/personality attributes -- remedies weakness, incompetence, ineffectiveness found in recent poll

C. Permanent possible gain: sets up Extremist Issue vs. Republicans

Later, under the heading "How to use extremism as issue against Republicans," Morris told Clinton that "direct accusations" of extremism wouldn't work because the Republicans were not, in fact, extremists. Rather, Morris recommended what he called the "ricochet theory." Clinton would "stimulate national concern over extremism and terror," and then, "when issue is at top of national agenda, suspicion naturally gravitates to Republicans." As that happened, Morris recommended, Clinton would use his executive authority to impose "intrusive" measures against so-called extremist groups. Clinton would explain that such intrusive measures were necessary to prevent future violence, knowing that his actions would, Morris wrote, "provoke outrage by extremist groups who will write their local Republican congressmen." Then, if members of Congress complained, that would "link right-wing of the party to extremist groups." The net effect, Morris concluded, would be "self-inflicted linkage between [GOP] and extremists."
 
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bfdd

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Sounds like this guy is as nuts as those during the Bush Administration who claimed those who protested Bush were unAmerican.
^this, anyone with a brain who isn't indoctrinated into towing party lines realizes they do this back and forth every time the power shifts one way. The only thing we can do as "level-headed" civilians is point out to others when this shit goes on and hopefully get others to realize that both parties are fucking ridiculous pieces of shit.
 

Thump553

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^this, anyone with a brain who isn't indoctrinated into towing party lines realizes they do this back and forth every time the power shifts one way. The only thing we can do as "level-headed" civilians is point out to others when this shit goes on and hopefully get others to realize that both parties are fucking ridiculous pieces of shit.
I'll bite-why in the world would a "level headed civilian" even consider joining the government? You will have every tax return, every publication, every action you ever took peered at under a microscope (and you personally have to pay the bill for your "defense counsel" during the veting, which is just as bad if not worse).

Outisde of academia, idle millionaires and professional politicians, no one even remotely considers joining government.
 

Noobtastic

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Didn't Wilson throw around the sedition laws during WWI to arrest and silence critics of his policies?

That's all I know. I'm not too familiar with the term. Sounds like something in a spy novel.
 

waggy

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bah. idiots.

MSNBC is so fucking far outside the norm they are idiotic. They are as bad as Fox for bullshit.
 

OutHouse

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gee i wonder what kind of shit storm would happen if tea party protesters held up signs like these or killed a effigy of Obama. or walk around with a effigy of Obama hanging from a noose... oh and this gem

On July 11, 2007, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Betty Williams gave the keynote speech to the International Women’s Peace Conference in Dallas, Texas, and said (to laughter and applause from the audience):

“I mean right now, I could kill George Bush, no problem. No, I don’t mean that. I mean — how could you nonviolently kill somebody? I would love to be able to do that.”



http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
 
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Red Dawn

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gee i wonder what kind of shit storm would happen if tea party protesters held up signs like these or killed a effigy of Obama. or walk around with a effigy of Obama hanging from a noose... oh and this gem

On July 11, 2007, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Betty Williams gave the keynote speech to the International Women’s Peace Conference in Dallas, Texas, and said (to laughter and applause from the audience):

“I mean right now, I could kill George Bush, no problem. No, I don’t mean that. I mean — how could you nonviolently kill somebody? I would love to be able to do that.”



http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
She got away with that in Texas??:eek:
 

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