Secure Afghanistan by Distributing Kalashnikovs to the Populace

[manimal]

Also Manimal- Muslims arnt children why treat them as such? In fact you delay what you seek by doing so. It has to be up to the Muslims to educate themselves, to feed themselves, to join the 21st century themselves. This whole rebuilding scheme is a complete joke. First they expect it. It's written infidels must pay taxes to them called Jizya so we are complicit in supporting their beliefs. Second it does not force them to re evaluate their position in the world and make adjustments.

If I had my way I'd relegate Saudi to bankruptcy too by not using oil but spend about 2 trillion building nuke plants and electric car infrastructure.

You may have a point on the children part. The issue of education is at its core as well. The majority of the populace wants education for their boys and girls. The forces you describe only have power over them in a vacuum. Do I want the west to be that which fills that vacuum?

no

the problem is something does....

 

[Zebo]

Cheer up Zebo, you are a totally immature idiot and a fool, you will not get your way, and because too many idiots in the USA think like you do, we are stuck in twin quagmires that benefit only terrorists,

In Terms of Jehad, for every idiot Muslim advocating Jehad, I can find two Christian idiots advocating Christian Jehad. But riddle me this, maybe a rare few Muslim Jehad idiots types can do violence onto us, but now the USA and Nato are more than the bigger rascals as we as an entire nations go half way around the world and do more damage. So Zebo, riddle me this, exactly how many Muslim nations go half way around the world, as their entire foreign policy, to occupy and conquer Western Nations just like the USA?

Maybe a few very isolated Muslim terrorist do, but conquer and occupy is well beyond their capacity. As somewhat we in the United States discover we think we can temporarily conquer and occupy, but are far too immature, stupid, to do anything to cement any permanent gain. And win quagmires and bleed blood and treasure instead.

I'm antiwar. Always have been always will be. War should be last resort so I don't agree with US policy...hard to defend what you don't agree with. Against both terror wars too. Check back dates I've been here since 01. All should have been done on down low, black ops, wet work squads to get ring leaders.... (maybe you misunderstand because when its time to war it's time to be ruthless like history success shows Zebo is all about what works.)

To imply we are a christian nation and acting as a crusade is a joke..sells well with ignorant muslims but that's about it. This was a wag the dog and all about money and politics.

 

[sandorski]

The problem with this idea is that you assume that Afghans Want or even Understand what a Nation is, in the Western perspective. All the current Generation knows is just short of complete Anarchy ruled by Tribal Warlords. Giving them Guns would just continue that system.

We see the Taliban as some kind of Monster and IMO that is accurate, but to the Afghans they are merely just another Warlord whom they will submit to, if they succeed to control their Region. Afghans don't really see a State called Afghanistan that they desire to improve. Their local Community and Families are all they truly cherish. Some of Pakistan also holds this same Cultural view, which is why the Taliban can easily Base there and why the Government of Pakistan fails to control large areas within its' Borders.

 

[Lemon law]

I'm antiwar. Always have been always will be. War should be last resort so I don't agree with US policy...hard to defend what you don't agree with. Against both terror wars too. Check back dates I've been here since 01. All should have been done on down low, black ops, wet work squads to get ring leaders.... (maybe you misunderstand because when its time to war it's time to be ruthless like history success shows Zebo is all about what works.)

To imply we are a christian nation and acting as a crusade is a joke..sells well with ignorant muslims but that's about it. This was a wag the dog and all about money and politics.

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Sadly Zebo, while I might like to agree with your mea culpa post, and the fact you have been here since 01, this recent post does nothing to excuse a pile of your very recent posts very recently put you as on total record as blaming only Islam as the 100% root of the problem.

So color me confused regarding your recent post, but nothing new to me, all my life I have wondered about the counterproductive wisdom of US foreign policy. To some extent as an over the hill hippie, Vietnam was the war of my time, and some of those names now carved
into a black granite wall are people I grew up with, now nothing but lives pissed away for national stupidity. Cheer up, the USA gave better than we got, we lost only some 58,000 and the Vietnamese people lost 2 million lives in the Vietnamese war.

I may not have joined Anand tech until 2005, but if I can do anything to prevent the same stinking thinking that led to the clusterfuck of Veitnam in my times, I am proud to make it my mission for all generations in times of new stinking thinking.

 

[Zebo]

I would not go as far as blaming Islam 100%. Islamic terrorists attack us because Israeli policy, Supporting ME guys who get us oil on demand and sell us back petro dollars for oil services, defense goodies and other goods and services, and other reasons. However I can't say we are wrong to want oil, or to want to support Israel vs. fundi world views. When it comes down to it we should promote our interests, form of govt, our values and so on. Just like a muslim should. This is simply a clash of civilizations I believe from reading terrorist communiques here. Call it 50/50. Naturally, since I was indoctrinated in the West, I support our world view and find theirs fucked up. But we win easy if we kept a low profile since they are few like I said earlier about small minority of extremists..OTOH making a big deal is causing some issues because people unite around the religion when they feel it;s under attack.

Yeah - same shit different day in so far creating fear and incidences, elite money making, and wasted lives as VN.

 

[Darwin333]

They will sell or barter the weapons to the extremists for very essential things like Xboxes, Wii's, wide screen satellite TV's and contraband porno vid's, and the extremists will in turn use those weapons against those very folks who airdropped those weapons in to begin with.

I say we airdrop those things instead. Personally, I would like a guy that gave me a free AK. I would really really like a guy that gave me a new home theater system complete with satellite, Xbox 360 AND a wii. That is how you win the war on terrorism, you Americanize them. They will be way to busy playing Halo to go fight anyone and if they get froggy we can threaten to ban them from Live and cut off their satellite. They will take care of the problem themselves when threatened with the very dire consequences of missing the new Afghanistan Idol.

Ooh, we can even require everything be made in the US so we can call it a jobs program!

Besides, can't you get an AK in Afghanistan for like 10 bucks already?

 

[zephyrprime]

I'm pretty sure it's totally easy and legal to get such weapons in Afghanistan already. I know in Iraq during Saddam's reign is was ok for every man to have an AK47. They were often used in wedding celebrations. I think the OP is very wrong headed to think that the problem in the middle eastern countries is that the populace is unable to defend themselves against militant extremists due to a lack of arms. The problem is that there is so much support for what we call extremists.

 

[ElFenix]

the most amazing thing to me is how badly we've done in the information side of this war. in important provinces most people (90%+) have no idea that OBL and AQ, guests of the taliban, hijacked airliners and attacked the US, and that's why we're there. wtf. how is it that 10 years in that isn't the common knowledge of every afghan?

 

[zephyrprime]

the most amazing thing to me is how badly we've done in the information side of this war. in important provinces most people (90%+) have no idea that OBL and AQ, guests of the taliban, hijacked airliners and attacked the US, and that's why we're there. wtf. how is it that 10 years in that isn't the common knowledge of every afghan?

It's not surprising at all in my opinion. You have to understand how undeveloped they are there. That's why this whole war effort is a fools quest in my opinion. At best, the US can establish and control a region around Kabul around which Afghanistan may eventually coaelesce into a country after 1 or 2 hundred years. This provincial base of operations would also be used to suppress any problematic other factions that may arise like the Taliban. Complete control and modernization of the country is impossible.

 

[Siddhartha]

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[JohnOfSheffield]

What do you think that would accomplish? The ones that we've already given weapons to (the ANSF) shirk responsibility constantly, refuse to patrol and flee from combat.

Most people don't get it. What we're offering them, they don't want. So they're never going to fight for it. Maybe if we offered them some sort of genetically enhanced goats that were hardier, fatter and grew quicker...

That and that they know that once we're gone the ones who have embraced anything we've offered them will be killed, if not by the Taliban then by their government to appease the Taliban.

I also don't think that people realise what Afghanistan is like, at all, they are more concerned about not starving to death than to be able to vote.

 

[werepossum]

Pretty much every male in Afghanistan has an AK-47 if he wants one - or did before the invasion, we've confiscated bunches of them. People in Afghanistan aren't being oppressed by the Taliban, they ARE the Taliban. Pulling out and rearming the country would just return it to the Taliban and allow al-Qaeda safe haven again. Instead we're trying to kill off the hard core Taliban fighters whilst convincing the others that civilization is better than the Taliban, even if Islam frowns on it.

 

[llee]

How about giving women the weapons?

 

[werepossum]

How about giving women the weapons?

Works for me. Only problem is it's often the women who are insisting that their men fight the infidel, their sons become suicide bombers, their non-chaste or raped daughters be murdered.

 

[Saint Nick]

Our government likes to declare war on intangibles.

 

[Nebor]

Our government likes to declare war on intangibles.

That is an outrageous claim. I hereby declare a war on opposition thinking.

 

[MotF Bane]

getting weapons is not an issue in that part of the world..

education, food, hope, peace is what they need..

This.