Section 8 housing vouchers

[rpanic]

Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

 

[Robor]

Hey if you think those people have the easy life why fight it? If you can't beat them, join them!

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Oh so you know that every person there was lazy, stupid, speak no english, etc...?

Could not be they hit hard times and lost their house recently, lost their job, just moved to the US legally and need a place, etc...

No that can;t be. They are just all lazy. But since its such a good deal why don;t you leave your job and get in line. Tell me how that works out for ya.

 

[Capt Caveman]

B/c everyone can get a $100k job and all positions in the service industry will be replaced by robots.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Oh so you know that every person there was lazy, stupid, speak no english, etc...?

Could not be they hit hard times and lost their house recently, lost their job, just moved to the US legally and need a place, etc...

No that can;t be. They are just all lazy. But since its such a good deal why don;t you leave your job and get in line. Tell me how that works out for ya.

Don't kid yourself. Section 8 housing 90% is hoodlum central.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Oh so you know that every person there was lazy, stupid, speak no english, etc...?

Could not be they hit hard times and lost their house recently, lost their job, just moved to the US legally and need a place, etc...

No that can;t be. They are just all lazy. But since its such a good deal why don;t you leave your job and get in line. Tell me how that works out for ya.

Considering that the average wait is years to get on the program I would say yes. This isn?t for people that just fell on hard times it?s for someone that has never and will never change. Most the people do have a job making minimum wage. Sometimes it takes up to 5 to 7 years, if someone is waiting that long for it I doubt their situation will ever change and they will be leaching to the day they die.

 

[PingSpike]

Couldn't we just load them into wheel barrows and dump them off at the nearest bum camp instead?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

If it irritates you so much, quit judging other people by your own standards.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: amddude


Don't kid yourself. Section 8 housing 90% is hoodlum central.

Your post shows you know nothing at all about Section 8 and don't feel the least bit constrained to show your prejudices. Did you bother to read the first post-about a line of a thousand people, waiting since yesterday to get a shot at the vouchers? Note I said get a shot at the vouchers because only a small percentage will get them, that's they way the program works.

Section 8 housing is normal housing, not housing projects. It is quite possible, if you live in an apartment complex that some of your neighbors are on Section 8.

The agencies administering Section 8 have to inspect the property to see that it meets all the building codes and section 8 requirements, and believe me, they do.

Good landlords love section 8 because they will get paid market level rents (they have to prove the market to the section 8 agency) without hassle and on time, and if the tenant is bad news, a call to the section 8 agency can get that straigthened out pronto. No sane person who has gotten in Section 8 and still needs it would do anything to get thrown out. In short, no "hoodlums" at all-much less 90% hoodlums.

Section 8 works by the tenant paying a predetemined percentage of their income on rent (ie, an affordable rent percentage) and the agency making up the difference to market level rents.

Section 8 is one of those rare government programs that works, works efficiently and relatively cheaply, and makes a real difference in improving life for a lot of people. If we didn't spend this money on Section 8, we'd be spending far more on shelters, prisons, hospital ERs, nursing homes, etc.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Section 8 is one of those rare government programs that works, works efficiently and relatively cheaply, and makes a real difference in improving life for a lot of people. If we didn't spend this money on Section 8, we'd be spending far more on shelters, prisons, hospital ERs, nursing homes, etc.

My grandparents lives haven't improved much since the house across the street from them went section 8. Now they get to hear basketballs bouncing and subwoofers thumping all day long.

I also wouldn't be surprised if every house on the street lost 40% of it's value because of the section 8 house.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Single mother - divorced - no child support from father (ducking the state)
$13 /hr
$500/month child care

Without subsidized housing, could not have the $$ for child care.
Therefore would have to stop working to take care of the child and have a roof over their heads and food on the table through Welfare.

Which is best?
Subsidized rent or full Welfare?

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Single mother - divorced - no child support from father (ducking the state)
$13 /hr
$500/month child care

Without subsidized housing, could not have the $$ for child care.
Therefore would have to stop working to take care of the child and have a roof over their heads and food on the table through Welfare.

Which is best?
Subsidized rent or full Welfare?

Move in with grandma.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Single mother - divorced - no child support from father (ducking the state)
$13 /hr
$500/month child care

Without subsidized housing, could not have the $$ for child care.
Therefore would have to stop working to take care of the child and have a roof over their heads and food on the table through Welfare.

Which is best?
Subsidized rent or full Welfare?

Move in with grandma.

Sterilization would have been better.

 

[theeedude]

My grandma got section 8 housing, it's pretty sweet. I think she waited in line in the morning to get it.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Well Obama is going to Fight Gobal poverty!

Guess what he's gonna send hundreds of Millions maybe billions to the U.N. of your tax dollar so you can Section 8 the WORLD!!!!!

<Russian accent>Wow What a country! </Russian accent>

Seriously Hillary or Obama will take some serious $ of yours and redistribute it to those same people. Crap even non-Americans!

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Single mother - divorced - no child support from father (ducking the state)
$13 /hr
$500/month child care

Without subsidized housing, could not have the $$ for child care.
Therefore would have to stop working to take care of the child and have a roof over their heads and food on the table through Welfare.

Which is best?
Subsidized rent or full Welfare?

Move in with grandma.

Sterilization would have been better.

I hope that was sarcasm. Not everyone chooses to become a single parent. Going on four and a half years myself, but not on section 8 housing as we were already buying a duplex when my wife died. If it hadn't been for the rental income paying my house payment things would have been much harder and it is entirely possible I would have had to pursue something like section 8 housing. Combine a single income and daycare bill and you can be in financial trouble very quickly.

 

[Slew Foot]

Daycare, that's what grandma is for.

Take a lesson from Asian cultures, keep your family intact instead of tossing your parents into a nursing home, you wont have to chase dollars as much.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: amddude


Don't kid yourself. Section 8 housing 90% is hoodlum central.

Your post shows you know nothing at all about Section 8 and don't feel the least bit constrained to show your prejudices. Did you bother to read the first post-about a line of a thousand people, waiting since yesterday to get a shot at the vouchers? Note I said get a shot at the vouchers because only a small percentage will get them, that's they way the program works.

Section 8 housing is normal housing, not housing projects. It is quite possible, if you live in an apartment complex that some of your neighbors are on Section 8.

The agencies administering Section 8 have to inspect the property to see that it meets all the building codes and section 8 requirements, and believe me, they do.

Good landlords love section 8 because they will get paid market level rents (they have to prove the market to the section 8 agency) without hassle and on time, and if the tenant is bad news, a call to the section 8 agency can get that straigthened out pronto. No sane person who has gotten in Section 8 and still needs it would do anything to get thrown out. In short, no "hoodlums" at all-much less 90% hoodlums.

Section 8 works by the tenant paying a predetemined percentage of their income on rent (ie, an affordable rent percentage) and the agency making up the difference to market level rents.

Section 8 is one of those rare government programs that works, works efficiently and relatively cheaply, and makes a real difference in improving life for a lot of people. If we didn't spend this money on Section 8, we'd be spending far more on shelters, prisons, hospital ERs, nursing homes, etc.

Then tell me why the section 8 housing in every town I have experienced and talked to other people about always turns to shit the moment that they go section 8.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

How is the amount of money you make entirely a personal choice? We like to talk a lot in this country about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, but the dirty little secret is that most people who use that kind of language have never had to actually do that. Given your casual disdain for everyone, I'm willing to bet you were born into the middle class and are still there...big fucking accomplishment. And if that's not your story, it sure as hell is for most people who talk down to poor folks. You think it's easy for someone born into poverty, with crappy schools and no prospect of attending college to just "get another job"? Well gee, I'm not making enough working the register at Wal-Mart, maybe I should apply for one of those CEO jobs. Nah, I'll just sit here and enjoy my free ride! You really think that's what happens in this country, you think section 8 housing is such a great deal that people are staying poor to cash in?

Well of course you don't, you think this way for the same reason all economic conservatives think this way. You're some middle management gomer or some such who likes a system that says he's hot shit because he can live in a McMansion and drive a decent car, despite having been born into an economic class that made that an almost certainty. Poor people can't be poor because they've had a tough life, because if THEY aren't poor because they're stupid, YOU can't be well off because you're smart. The ideology that we get to claim all responsibility for our lot in life is popular not because it allows us to harangue poor people, but because it allows us to take credit for everything that's happened in our lives. You're like the pretty girl who really wants to believe that guys talk to her because she's interesting.

Let's just forget ideology and political bullshit and you wanting to make it sound like you're some sort of super hard worker and look at the facts. All the talk about "handouts" aside, being poor would not seem to be a real treat. Section 8 housing isn't the Ritz, welfare isn't like having a trust fund, and for the most part, pretty much everything about not having any money is worse than having it. You want to make the experience even more soul crushing than it is now? Hey, whatever helps pump up your ego...but I'm telling you, I think being poor sucks plenty already, I'm not sure the problem is that being poor is so awesome nobody wants to give it up. Maybe a better approach would be to try to provide the resources so poor people can help themselves rather than the "tough love" approach. Just a thought...but then again, I want to reduce the number of poor people, not participate in the conservative love-fest.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

How is the amount of money you make entirely a personal choice? We like to talk a lot in this country about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, but the dirty little secret is that most people who use that kind of language have never had to actually do that. Given your casual disdain for everyone, I'm willing to bet you were born into the middle class and are still there...big fucking accomplishment. And if that's not your story, it sure as hell is for most people who talk down to poor folks. You think it's easy for someone born into poverty, with crappy schools and no prospect of attending college to just "get another job"? Well gee, I'm not making enough working the register at Wal-Mart, maybe I should apply for one of those CEO jobs. Nah, I'll just sit here and enjoy my free ride! You really think that's what happens in this country, you think section 8 housing is such a great deal that people are staying poor to cash in?

Well of course you don't, you think this way for the same reason all economic conservatives think this way. You're some middle management gomer or some such who likes a system that says he's hot shit because he can live in a McMansion and drive a decent car, despite having been born into an economic class that made that an almost certainty. Poor people can't be poor because they've had a tough life, because if THEY aren't poor because they're stupid, YOU can't be well off because you're smart. The ideology that we get to claim all responsibility for our lot in life is popular not because it allows us to harangue poor people, but because it allows us to take credit for everything that's happened in our lives. You're like the pretty girl who really wants to believe that guys talk to her because she's interesting.

Let's just forget ideology and political bullshit and you wanting to make it sound like you're some sort of super hard worker and look at the facts. All the talk about "handouts" aside, being poor would not seem to be a real treat. Section 8 housing isn't the Ritz, welfare isn't like having a trust fund, and for the most part, pretty much everything about not having any money is worse than having it. You want to make the experience even more soul crushing than it is now? Hey, whatever helps pump up your ego...but I'm telling you, I think being poor sucks plenty already, I'm not sure the problem is that being poor is so awesome nobody wants to give it up. Maybe a better approach would be to try to provide the resources so poor people can help themselves rather than the "tough love" approach. Just a thought...but then again, I want to reduce the number of poor people, not participate in the conservative love-fest.

Heh, my parents came to the country wihth $1000 in their name. They lived with our cousins for a year until my mom got a job for min wage and then moved into a small apartment in downtown milwaukee. My dad soon got a job with an engineering firm for about 20K/yr, he took night classes to advance his degree, and eventually made his way up the corporate ladder to own his own company.

Poor people dont want to work hard to gain in society (not all, most), they want it handed to them on a platter.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

How is the amount of money you make entirely a personal choice? We like to talk a lot in this country about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, but the dirty little secret is that most people who use that kind of language have never had to actually do that. Given your casual disdain for everyone, I'm willing to bet you were born into the middle class and are still there...big fucking accomplishment. And if that's not your story, it sure as hell is for most people who talk down to poor folks. You think it's easy for someone born into poverty, with crappy schools and no prospect of attending college to just "get another job"? Well gee, I'm not making enough working the register at Wal-Mart, maybe I should apply for one of those CEO jobs. Nah, I'll just sit here and enjoy my free ride! You really think that's what happens in this country, you think section 8 housing is such a great deal that people are staying poor to cash in?

Well of course you don't, you think this way for the same reason all economic conservatives think this way. You're some middle management gomer or some such who likes a system that says he's hot shit because he can live in a McMansion and drive a decent car, despite having been born into an economic class that made that an almost certainty. Poor people can't be poor because they've had a tough life, because if THEY aren't poor because they're stupid, YOU can't be well off because you're smart. The ideology that we get to claim all responsibility for our lot in life is popular not because it allows us to harangue poor people, but because it allows us to take credit for everything that's happened in our lives. You're like the pretty girl who really wants to believe that guys talk to her because she's interesting.

Let's just forget ideology and political bullshit and you wanting to make it sound like you're some sort of super hard worker and look at the facts. All the talk about "handouts" aside, being poor would not seem to be a real treat. Section 8 housing isn't the Ritz, welfare isn't like having a trust fund, and for the most part, pretty much everything about not having any money is worse than having it. You want to make the experience even more soul crushing than it is now? Hey, whatever helps pump up your ego...but I'm telling you, I think being poor sucks plenty already, I'm not sure the problem is that being poor is so awesome nobody wants to give it up. Maybe a better approach would be to try to provide the resources so poor people can help themselves rather than the "tough love" approach. Just a thought...but then again, I want to reduce the number of poor people, not participate in the conservative love-fest.

Heh, my parents came to the country wihth $1000 in their name. They lived with our cousins for a year until my mom got a job for min wage and then moved into a small apartment in downtown milwaukee. My dad soon got a job with an engineering firm for about 20K/yr, he took night classes to advance his degree, and eventually made his way up the corporate ladder to own his own company.

Poor people dont want to work hard to gain in society (not all, most), they want it handed to them on a platter.

But it's NOT being handed to them on a platter, that's what's so silly about your argument. You can preach that "poor people don't want to work hard" line all day, but do you REALLY think being poor is so great that people just can't be bothered to get a better job?

And like I said, your story is by far the exception...the biggest concentration of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" ideology I've ever met was among the spoiled punks that went to my high school in one of the richer suburbs of Minneapolis. And nothing I've seen since then has convinced me that there is a large group of people out there who are qualified to talk down to poor people the way they do.

Edit: If some people like your parents can go from being poor to being better off, that's great, more power to them. But what makes you think circumstances and abilities and opportunities are identical for everyone?

 

[babylon5]

It's not like they can take out subprime loan anymore to get a house.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Daycare, that's what grandma is for.

Take a lesson from Asian cultures, keep your family intact instead of tossing your parents into a nursing home, you wont have to chase dollars as much.

When I lost my wife I was already 33, my parents were and mother-in law were already into their 60's and retired / approaching retirement. There is only so much that I could expect of them and frankly is it not their job to babysit my son while I work. They work for 40+ years, it is now their time and I wouldn't dream of taking it away.

When she died I was working a fulltime job that happened to be a night shift. With help of family I continued that job for about a year as a dayshift was not available, but as it was a night shift I only got to see my then 1 year old son 3 days a week. He was no longer the happy baby he had been and relations with relatives were getting stressed. As a result I ended up taking a buyout during a layoff cycle so I could be a fulltime dad and continued to work part time from home for almost 2 years. I have been back to work and finally started using daycare 18 months ago. As a side note I have a very happy 5 year old. I was lucky enough to keep it all together with help of friends and family, but there is no way that the first year could have continued with tearing my extended family apart.

You are partially right, some of the other cultures are well known for taking care of family members, but that doesn't work so well with American culture that waits longer before starting a family. I would never and hate the idea of having 60 and 70 year old grandparents keep up with a toddler fulltime.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: rpanic
Was watching on the local morning news there was this line of like a thousand plus people to get Section 8 housing vouchers they were all standing in line since the day before. Now I can see helping out a seriously disabled person, but being stupid, making bad choices in life, having no ambition, or not speaking English doesn?t cut it. Paying an able bodied person just because they don?t make much seems wrong, how much you make is a personal choice for the most part, if you need more money get another job. It irritates me that I work my ass off and my tax dollars are going pay for some other persons rent.

Well Obama is going to Fight Gobal poverty!

Guess what he's gonna send hundreds of Millions maybe billions to the U.N. of your tax dollar so you can Section 8 the WORLD!!!!!

<Russian accent>Wow What a country! </Russian accent>

Seriously Hillary or Obama will take some serious $ of yours and redistribute it to those same people. Crap even non-Americans!

Of course, the present administration is already sending out hundreds of billions, literally blowing plenty of it away - eventually into the trillions by quite a few estimates. What would happen if we'd spend $2-3 trillion fighting poverty?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
....

You think it's easy for someone born into poverty, with crappy schools and no prospect of attending college to just "get another job"? Well gee, I'm not making enough working the register at Wal-Mart, maybe I should apply for one of those CEO jobs. Nah, I'll just sit here and enjoy my free ride! You really think that's what happens in this country, you think section 8 housing is such a great deal that people are staying poor to cash in?

....

I saw the quote on the forums somewhere, in a sig, that "Despite all the complaining that rich people do about how hard a time they have in life, being rich remains a popular activity."

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: amddude


Don't kid yourself. Section 8 housing 90% is hoodlum central.

Your post shows you know nothing at all about Section 8 and don't feel the least bit constrained to show your prejudices. Did you bother to read the first post-about a line of a thousand people, waiting since yesterday to get a shot at the vouchers? Note I said get a shot at the vouchers because only a small percentage will get them, that's they way the program works.

Section 8 housing is normal housing, not housing projects. It is quite possible, if you live in an apartment complex that some of your neighbors are on Section 8.

The agencies administering Section 8 have to inspect the property to see that it meets all the building codes and section 8 requirements, and believe me, they do.

Good landlords love section 8 because they will get paid market level rents (they have to prove the market to the section 8 agency) without hassle and on time, and if the tenant is bad news, a call to the section 8 agency can get that straigthened out pronto. No sane person who has gotten in Section 8 and still needs it would do anything to get thrown out. In short, no "hoodlums" at all-much less 90% hoodlums.

Section 8 works by the tenant paying a predetemined percentage of their income on rent (ie, an affordable rent percentage) and the agency making up the difference to market level rents.

Section 8 is one of those rare government programs that works, works efficiently and relatively cheaply, and makes a real difference in improving life for a lot of people. If we didn't spend this money on Section 8, we'd be spending far more on shelters, prisons, hospital ERs, nursing homes, etc.

Then tell me why the section 8 housing in every town I have experienced and talked to other people about always turns to shit the moment that they go section 8.

That has to be a regional thing. Most people here are unaware of where section 8 and transitional housing is even located. Having worked part time at a homeless shelter for 6 years I became pretty familiar with the system. Most people had no clue that a building or house owned by our agency was anything other than a well kept rental. The same goes for most of the section 8 housing here. The tenants have weekly inspections, are expected to follow the rules to the letter or they are out. I can't say as much for regular renters or home owners that I have known and this is also from being a landlord for 7 years.