Section 4 of voting rights act struck down

Texashiker

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Breaking news, will update as details become available.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/supreme-court-voting-rights_n_3434730.html

The Supreme Court ruled on Shelby County, Alabama v. Holder Monday, striking down Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act.

The court made the ruling by a vote of 5-4.


http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/overview.php

Section 4 sets forth the criteria for determining whether a jurisdiction is covered under the special provisions of the Act, including the requirement for review of changes affecting voting under Section 5, whether it may be designated by the Attorney General for federal observers, and the procedures for terminating such coverage. This section also contains some of the language minority provisions.
 
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Jaskalas

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Damn straight, it should be unconstitutional to treat States differently from one another. If you want an iron grip over voting practices, apply it to everyone or no one.
 

fskimospy

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Damn straight, it should be unconstitutional to treat States differently from one another. If you want an iron grip over voting practices, apply it to everyone or no one.

Actually SCOTUS only struck down the formula used to treat states differently, not the practice. Congress is still free to treat different states differently if it so chooses, as well it should.

It's a sad day because the arguments used by the conservative justices during oral arguments at least constituted a range of embarrassments from Roberts' basic lack of understanding of statistics and causality to Scalia's sudden embrace of judicial activism (for this case only) to save the poor legislature from the black person lobby.

Gross.
 

thraashman

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Damn straight, it should be unconstitutional to treat States differently from one another. If you want an iron grip over voting practices, apply it to everyone or no one.

Well a teacher tends to keep her eye more on the activities of the kids that have been naughty many times before and leave the well-behaved A student to their own means. And the states that tend to be affected by the voting rights act have been naughty quite a bit in history. And recently the fact that they've been scrutinized and controlled has kept them from being naughty again.

Should we also completely ignore criminal history of felons when crimes are committed near them? Should sex offenders be completely allowed to work in day care centers?
 

HomerJS

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Damn straight, it should be unconstitutional to treat States differently from one another. If you want an iron grip over voting practices, apply it to everyone or no one.

Yeah how dare the Feds tell Texas not to rig voting to prevent them darkies from fluencing outcome!
 

Texashiker

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Actually SCOTUS only struck down the formula used to treat states differently, not the practice. Congress is still free to treat different states differently if it so chooses, as well it should.

The key word there is "congress". A department should not have the right to regulate voting rights.
 

fskimospy

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The key word there is "congress". A department should not have the right to regulate voting rights.

Uhmm, what? That department is using congress' power, which congress delegated to it. You realize that's how the vast majority of all departments in the US work, right?
 

fskimospy

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Well a teacher tends to keep her eye more on the activities of the kids that have been naughty many times before and leave the well-behaved A student to their own means. And the states that tend to be affected by the voting rights act have been naughty quite a bit in history. And recently the fact that they've been scrutinized and controlled has kept them from being naughty again.

Should we also completely ignore criminal history of felons when crimes are committed near them? Should sex offenders be completely allowed to work in day care centers?

My favorite was Roberts' idea that since voting participation had increased in southern states since the voting rights act had been enacted, that was evidence that the voting rights act wasn't needed any more. Apparently it never crossed his mind that such a thing might mean the voting rights act was effective.

Basic logic failure. I've never been eaten by one shark the whole time I've been in this shark cage. I guess that means sharks aren't hungry anymore.

Scalia's quotes are priceless though.

Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes. I don’t think there is anything to be gained by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act. And I am fairly confident it will be reenacted in perpetuity unless — unless a court can say it does not comport with the Constitution. You have to show, when you are treating different States differently, that there’s a good reason for it.
That’s the — that’s the concern that those of us who — who have some questions about this statute have. It’s — it’s a concern that this is not the kind of a question you can leave to Congress.

Scalia, the guy who tries to answer almost everything with "that's what the legislature is for" now decides that this can't be left to the legislature because... get this... they might not get rid of it like he thinks they should. Who knew that the courts were supposed to save Congress from enacting laws Scalia doesn't like?

What a clown.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeah how dare the Feds tell Texas not to rig voting to prevent them darkies from fluencing outcome!

Are you racist?

First, an education. Minority-majority. Texas is one of them.

Second, the Feds still have supremacy, they can still _equally_ sue the States for violations of Federal law and/or people's rights. If the Feds have a legitimate problem they can go to court. Shelby County had to go to court to be proven innocent. Is guilty until proven innocent the form of government you want?

Well a teacher tends to keep her eye more on the activities of the kids that have been naughty...

This is not a classroom, we're a Constitutional Republic with EQUALITY as a founding principle.
 

HomerJS

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Are you racist?

First, an education. Minority-majority. Texas is one of them.

Second, the Feds still have supremacy, they can still _equally_ sue the States for violations of Federal law and/or people's rights. If the Feds have a legitimate problem they can go to court. Shelby County had to go to court to be proven innocent. Is guilty until proven innocent the form of government you want?



This is not a classroom, we're a Constitutional Republic with EQUALITY as a founding principle.

Since in 2006 the VRA reauthorize vote was 390-33 in the House and 98-0 in the Senate, isn't this what conservatives decry as "judicial activism"??
 

Oldgamer

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Sneaky thing of the Justices. This way they haven't actually struck down the voting rights act, but effectively kill it by saying the the formula for the voting rights act be remade, and the maps of those southern states be re-drawn by Congress. This Congress will not do anything because it isn't mature enough, or capable with all the "gridlock" right now to do anything like this. So in other words the Voting rights act can't be implemented until Congress does. But with the House and Senate so divided it isn't gonna happen.

Again, the Justices are doing another "punt" to congress or to the states without getting their dirty fingerprints all over the gun that did the actually "killing".

I have to say this does surprise me, I was really hoping that they we be smarter than this. Let the states and the racism begin.. folks, because I promise you they have opened up a can of worms with regard to minorities being treated differntly again, and it won't be long come voting time when we see some really fucked up racist shit by these southern states.

Racism didn't go away, its still alive and well... it was just "underground" but they have now opened the door for it in many ways, on a much larger pervasive scale.
 
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fskimospy

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Since in 2006 the VRA reauthorize vote was 390-33 in the House and 98-0 in the Senate, isn't this what conservatives decry as "judicial activism"??

Judicial activism is when the courts make a decision people don't like.

The conservatives that complained for years about activist judges will say nothing to that effect here because they never actually cared about judicial activism. Ever.
 

HomerJS

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Sneaky thing of the Justices. This way they haven't actually struck down the voting rights act, but effectively kill it by saying the the formula for the voting rights act be remade, and the maps of those southern states be re-drawn by Congress. This Congress will not do anything because it isn't mature enough, or capable with all the "gridlock" right now to do anything like this. So in other words the Voting rights act can't be implemented until Congress does. But with the House and Senate so divided it isn't gonna happen.

Again, the Justices are doing another "punt" to congress or to the states without getting their dirty fingerprints all over the gun that did the actually "killing".

I have to say this does surprise me, I was really hoping that they we be smarter than this. Let the states and the racism begin.. folks, because I promise you they have opened up a can of worms with regard to minorities being treated differntly again, and it won't be long come voting time when we see some really fucked up racist shit by these southern states.

Racism didn't go away, its still alive and well... it was just "underground" but they have now opened the door for it in many ways, on a much larger pervasive scale.

and Jim Crow didn't go away, it now has lawyers.
 

Oldgamer

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Yea, SCOTUS has just opened the door for some very nasty shit, that will be happening in these states very soon, now that they have the green light to hamper minorities during voting times. You mark my words and watch. It is just insane that these Justices think that times have changed and racism isn't what it was years ago. What has happened is that these anti-discriminatory laws have been very effective, not that people have changed. I fear our country is really headed down a very bad path, in so many ways, with rights being killed off at every turn.

I am listening right now to the news, and one attorney on these matters has said that the current voter rights act cannot be implemented until Congress re-formulates and redraws the voting rights acts (state maps).

All that discrimination that was pushed under the rug over the years and held at bay is going to come out with a vengeance.
 

Texashiker

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All that discrimination that was pushed under the rug over the years and held at bay is going to come out with a vengeance.

I have to respectfully disagree.

The generation that harbored the majority of decriminalization is either dead, retired, or out of power.
 

Atreus21

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Judicial activism is when the courts make a decision people don't like.

The conservatives that complained for years about activist judges will say nothing to that effect here because they never actually cared about judicial activism. Ever.

Well wait. Your first definition is correct. Conservatives like this decision. Therefore it's not judicial activism, right?

Eh, maybe it's consolation activism after the upholding of Obamacare.
 

glenn1

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Actually SCOTUS only struck down the formula used to treat states differently, not the practice. Congress is still free to treat different states differently if it so chooses, as well it should.

It's a sad day because the arguments used by the conservative justices during oral arguments at least constituted a range of embarrassments from Roberts' basic lack of understanding of statistics and causality to Scalia's sudden embrace of judicial activism (for this case only) to save the poor legislature from the black person lobby.

Gross.

The ruling didn't undo the ban on discriminatinatory voting practices. The only difference is that states will be treated equally, with Section 2 litigation used on a case-by-case basis against offending jurisdictions. The Pre-clearance requirement is an archaic relic and it's good that it's effectively dead unless the formula to apply it gets changed. Or applied across the board under current conditions, which means given modern turnout conditions most of PA and CA would be covered and require pre-clearance and most of the Old South would be home free.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/23/us/voting-rights-act-map.html?ref=us&_r=0
 

Atreus21

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The ruling didn't undo the ban on discriminatinatory voting practices. The only difference is that states will be treated equally, with Section 2 litigation used on a case-by-case basis against offending jurisdictions. The Pre-clearance requirement is an archaic relic and it's good that it's effectively dead unless the formula to apply it gets changed. Or applied across the board under current conditions, which means given modern turnout conditions most of PA and CA would be covered and require pre-clearance and most of the Old South would be home free.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/23/us/voting-rights-act-map.html?ref=us&_r=0

Dude, we're trying to overreact here. Psh.
 

sportage

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Maddow (MSNBC) last night had a perfect example of why this law was and is needed. In I believe it was west Texas or Huston, the republicans revamped the number of polling places from a total of 84 down to 12. Yes, just 12 polling places reduced from the previous 84 polling places. And the way these 12 polling places were divided up? They were stacked or revamped so that 6500 whites would be served by available polling locations. And the blacks? 67,000 would be served by the republican revamped poll location placing.
So as Maddow said, whites? They don't have to stand in line.
Blacks?
67,000 will be lining up to vote at their share of the 12 polling places.
Yes kiddies... thats 6500 whites served vs 67,000 blacks standing in line.

Well... thanks to the federal "voting rights law", that attempt to play this little game with poll location placing in Texas was stopped! Halted. Nixed!

The feds took a close look at this little abortion attempt in Texas pulled by the republican controlled government, because... the federal law allowed them to, and the feds said "wait, stop, no you don't, Texas.
And the scheme failed, that time around.

Next time, however, thanks to the ruling today, you better damn well believe this same Texas congress controlled by republicans will pull this very same poll placing scheme, again, and ASAP.
And the difference next time?
Next time, they will get away with it.

Justice Thomas should be ashamed.
If voting rights laws along with civil rights laws had not been established, that damn sexually perverted freak of a justice Thomas would still to this day be back a-pick-in cotton down on some southern plantation.

Ps...
As with that line in the movie Django, ""all the black folk best get away from all the white folks, except for Justice Thomas. He is right where he belongs"".
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Oldgamer

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It is a very contradictory message that SCOTUS on the one hand has told Congress that they aren't capable of handling the Voter Rights Act (even though Congress had unanimous bi-partisan support, every time they re-authorized it), yet on the other hand tell them, that Congress must re-formulate and re-draw the maps.

I think it is summed up very well here in this dissent by Ginsburg:

Here are five key excerpts from her dissent:

"When confronting the most constitutionally invidious form of discrimination, and the most fundamental right in our democratic system, Congress’ power to act is at its height."

"Demand for a record of violations equivalent to the one earlier made would expose Congress to a catch-22. If the statute was working, there would be less evidence of discrimination, so opponents might argue that Congress should not be allowed to renew the statute. In contrast, if the statute was not working, there would be plenty of evidence of discrimination, but scant reason to renew a failed regulatory regime."

"Just as buildings in California have a greater need to be earthquake* proofed, places where there is greater racial polarization in voting have a greater need for prophylactic measures to prevent purposeful race discrimination."

"Congress approached the 2006 reauthorization of the VRA with great care and seriousness. The same cannot be said of the Court’s opinion today. The Court makes no genuine attempt to engage with the massive legislative record that Congress assembled. Instead, it relies on increases in voter registration and turnout as if that were the whole story. See supra, at 18–19. Without even identifying a standard of review, the Court dismissively brushes off arguments based on "data from the record," and declines to enter the "debat[e about] what [the] record shows" ... One would expect more from an opinion striking at the heart of the Nation's signal piece of civil-rights legislation.

"Given a record replete with examples of denial or abridgment of a paramount federal right, the Court should have left the matter where it belongs: in Congress’ bailiwick."
Ginsburg's dissent also rattled off these eight examples of race-based voter discrimination in recent history:

In 1995, Mississippi sought to reenact a dual voter registration system, "which was initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters," and for that reason, was struck down by a federal court in 1987.

Following the 2000 census, the City of Albany, Georgia, proposed a redistricting plan that DOJ found to be "designed with the purpose to limit and retrogress the increased black voting strength … in the city as a whole."

In 2001, the mayor and all-white five-member Board of Aldermen of Kilmichael, Mississippi, abruptly canceled the town’s election after "an unprecedented number" of African-American candidates announced they were running for office. DOJ required an election, and the town elected its first black mayor and three black aldermen.

In 2006, this Court found that Texas’ attempt to re¬draw a congressional district to reduce the strength of Latino voters bore "the mark of intentional discrimination that could give rise to an equal protection violation," and ordered the district redrawn in compliance with the VRA ... In response, Texas sought to undermine this Court’s order by curtailing early voting in the district, but was blocked by an action to enforce the §5 pre-clearance requirement.

In 2003, after African-Americans won a majority of the seats on the school board for the first time in history, Charleston County, South Carolina, pro¬posed an at-large voting mechanism for the board. The proposal, made without consulting any of the African-American members of the school board, was found to be an "'exact replica'" of an earlier voting scheme that, a federal court had determined, violated the VRA ... DOJ invoked §5 to block the proposal.

In 1993, the City of Millen, Georgia, proposed to delay the election in a majority-black district by two years, leaving that district without representation on the city council while the neighboring majority white district would have three representatives ... DOJ blocked the proposal. The county then sought to move a polling place from a predominantly black neighborhood in the city to an inaccessible location in a predominantly white neighborhood outside city limits.

In 2004, Waller County, Texas, threatened to prosecute two black students after they announced their intention to run for office. The county then attempted to reduce the avail ability of early voting in that election at polling places near a historically black university.

In 1990, Dallas County, Alabama, whose county seat is the City of Selma, sought to purge its voter rolls of many black voters. DOJ rejected the purge as discriminatory, noting that it would have disqualified many citizens from voting "simply because they failed to pick up or return a voter update form, when there was no valid requirement that they do so."

READ HER FULL DISSENT HERE
 
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Oldgamer

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Maddow (MSNBC) last night had a perfect example of why this law was and is needed. In I believe it was west Texas or Huston, the republicans revamped the number of polling places from a total of 84 down to 12. Yes, just 12 polling places reduced from the previous 84 polling places. And the way these 12 polling places were divided up? They were stacked or revamped so that 6500 whites would be served by available polling locations. And the blacks? 67,000 would be served by the republican revamped poll location placing.
So as Maddow said, whites? They don't have to stand in line.
Blacks?
67,000 will be lining up to vote at their share of the 12 polling places.
Yes kiddies... thats 6500 whites served vs 67,000 blacks standing in line.

Well... thanks to the federal "voting rights law", that attempt to play this little game with poll location placing in Texas was stopped! Halted. Nixed!

The feds took a close look at this little abortion attempt in Texas pulled by the republican controlled government, because... the federal law allowed them to, and the feds said "wait, stop, no you don't, Texas.
And the scheme failed, that time around.

Next time, however, thanks to the ruling today, you better damn well believe this same Texas congress controlled by republicans will pull this very same poll placing scheme, again, and ASAP.
And the difference next time?
Next time, they will get away with it.

Justice Thomas should be ashamed.
If voting rights laws along with civil rights laws had not been established, that damn sexually perverted freak of a justice would still to this say be back a-pick-in cotton down on some plantation down south.

Ps...
As with that line in the movie Django, ""all the black folk best get away from all the white folks, except for Justice Thomas. He is right where he belongs"".
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Exactly and if you look at in 2011 over 700 new voter laws were trying to be passed primarily in these southern states, and most of them got struck down.
 

Texashiker

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Next time, however, thanks to the ruling today, you better damn well believe this same Texas congress controlled by republicans will pull this very same poll placing scheme, again, and ASAP.
And the difference next time?
Next time, they will get away with it.

My opinion, the events you described should first be handled by the states attorney general, and then by the feds.
 

Oldgamer

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My opinion, the events you described should first be handled by the states attorney general, and then by the feds.

They are already making laws as we speak to prepare for the Guebernatorial races, and for 2016.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/201...-voting-rights-ruling-on-texas-redistricting/

and...

Supreme Court decision clears way for the new Texas Voter laws

and...

In Missisippi, new laws may be passed see link http://www.newsms.fm/supreme-court-ruling-implications-unclear-for-mississippi/

In brief, the court, on a 5-4 vote, said Tuesday that the feds cannot have control over whether a state changes its voting laws because the formula in place is from 1965, when the Voting Rights Act was established.