Sectarian violence has reached Michigan...

BarneyFife

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/NEWS01/70109023

Concerned about a possible outbreak of sectarian violence in Michigan, Sunni and Shi'ite leaders worked today to repair their ties after Shi'ite-run mosques and businesses in Detroit were targeted over the weekend by men who may have been Sunni.

The Islamic Shura Council of Michigan, a Sunni coalition group based in Bloomfield Hills, said in a statement today that the incidents may have been hate crimes against Shi'ites.

"Islam does not condone vandalism or desecration of any house of worship," said the council's president Mouhib Ayas.

The vandals broke thick windows at several Iraqi Shi'ite-owned establishments along Warren Avenue in Detroit, close to the border with Dearborn.

The attacks came a week after Shi'ites and others celebrated on the day that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was executed. The celebrations, broadcast often on TV, upset some Sunni Muslims in metro Detroit.

I can't believe that the violence would come to the US between these two sides. It seems like they hate each other and much as they hate the US.

 

palehorse

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the good news: if they commit crimes here on US soil then our Law Enforcement services will do their jobs and put them away. It is sad though...
 

dahunan

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How many years ago was it that our own Kooky Religious fanatics fought against each other in America.. and came to America because of kooky religious fanatacism

BTW, why shouldn't it come here..

 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: dahunan
How many years ago was it that our own Kooky Religious fanatics fought against each other in America.. and came to America because of kooky religious fanatacism

And this is relevant how?
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
How many years ago was it that our own Kooky Religious fanatics fought against each other in America.. and came to America because of kooky religious fanatacism

And this is relevant how?

Because you are obviously perfect ;) that is how :)

give it some thought

BTW, murder begets murder.. but some people just don't care about that
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Because you are obviously perfect ;) that is how :)

give it some thought

BTW, murder begets murder.. but some people just don't care about that

So, me being perfect is the reason why your pseudo-logic is worth a dime?

If they didn't like each other so much, then perhaps they should've not chosen to live side-by-side; then they wouldn't have to deal with each other. It's a pretty big country, you know.
 

piasabird

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"How many years ago was it that our own Kooky Religious fanatics fought against each other in America.. and came to America because of kooky religious fanatacism"

This sounds like a person with some serious hate crime issues.

Freedom of Religion is what the United States was founded on. If you want freedom from religion go to a communist country like China. Freedom from religion is communism, not freedom.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/NEWS01/70109023

Concerned about a possible outbreak of sectarian violence in Michigan, Sunni and Shi'ite leaders worked today to repair their ties after Shi'ite-run mosques and businesses in Detroit were targeted over the weekend by men who may have been Sunni.

The Islamic Shura Council of Michigan, a Sunni coalition group based in Bloomfield Hills, said in a statement today that the incidents may have been hate crimes against Shi'ites.

"Islam does not condone vandalism or desecration of any house of worship," said the council's president Mouhib Ayas.

The vandals broke thick windows at several Iraqi Shi'ite-owned establishments along Warren Avenue in Detroit, close to the border with Dearborn.

The attacks came a week after Shi'ites and others celebrated on the day that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was executed. The celebrations, broadcast often on TV, upset some Sunni Muslims in metro Detroit.

I can't believe that the violence would come to the US between these two sides. It seems like they hate each other and much as they hate the US.

That's the downside to an Immigrant Society, sometimes tensions on the other side of the Earth become tensions between groups in a relatively disconnected part of the world. It happens with Indians(from India), Jews/Palestinians, and other groups. It's difficult to leave behind the Old World when you still have family caught up in the sh1t that goes on there.
 

techs

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Lets not jump to conclusions. This may very well have been an isolated incident.
In fact, in America, we have been remarkably free from the tribal and religious conflicts amongst our immigrants once they arrive here.
For example, despite generations of sectarian war in Ireland the Irish in America don't bomb and kill each other.
 

conjur

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I thought we were fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

Was Georgie lying?

Say it ain't so!!
 

aka1nas

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Well, the bright side is that here the representatives of these groups are villifying such behaviour instead of encouraging it as they are in Iraq.
 

Corn

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OMG, Dearborn is turning into another vietnam. We should cut and run ASAP!!!!!!
 

Corn

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Looks like I'm still a double postin' newb.......sigh.......
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: piasabird
"How many years ago was it that our own Kooky Religious fanatics fought against each other in America.. and came to America because of kooky religious fanatacism"

This sounds like a person with some serious hate crime issues.

Freedom of Religion is what the United States was founded on. If you want freedom from religion go to a communist country like China. Freedom from religion is communism, not freedom.

Do you do drugs?

"hate crime issues"

Tell me... is it fair to label "Manifest Destiny", "Slavery in the USA", "Salem Witch Trials" as KOOKY :D

 

BoberFett

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Don't listen to dahunan, he thinks an artists kids should be thrown in an oven with the gas turned on because he didn't like the artists subject matter. Talk about kooky fanatics...
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Don't listen to dahunan, he thinks an artists kids should be thrown in an oven with the gas turned on because he didn't like the artists subject matter. Talk about kooky fanatics...

Ah.. my personal omniscient stalker .. nice to see you..

I told all that I was angry.. that is not what I would really do.. .. and it would be obvious to anyone except for fruitcakes like you
 

BoberFett

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That's right. Deny. Spin. Dodge. Dance for me, like the trained monkey you are.

I'm just calling it the way I see it. You have no room to call anybody names you violent freak.

dahunan said:
Maybe someone should kidnap his children and throw them inside of a gas oven and turn on the gas but just not light it
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
That's right. Deny. Spin. Dodge. Dance for me, like the trained monkey you are.

I'm just calling it the way I see it. You have no room to call anybody names you violent freak.

dahunan said:
Maybe someone should kidnap his children and throw them inside of a gas oven and turn on the gas but just not light it

Like I said.. Personal Stalker that is all you are

Get a life dude.. do something positive that makes you feel better about yourself.. maybe you could join your local neo-nazi club or recruit for the kkk if you appreciate their beliefs

I am sure you have never been angry or ever said anything off the cuff..

But.. since you are perfect and omniscient.. I will leave you to your God Complex.. enjoy your life..
 

BoberFett

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Why would I join the local neo-nazi club? You're the one wants to put people in ovens, sounds like your kind of organization.

And I don't stalk you, I just happened to see you posting to this thread and thought I'd remind you that you're as prone to sudden fits of anger and violence as those you are speaking against.

You're a freak, and no amount of trying to turn the focus back on me with your silly comments about "god complexes" will change the fact that you're as bad as the worst religious zealot.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Corn
OMG, Dearborn is turning into another vietnam. We should cut and run ASAP!!!!!!
Thank you- perfect take on this.

BTW: This story explains why it has been so hard to control the violence in Iraq.
If these two groups can't get along in the US which is not only one of the freest countries in the world in terms of religion, but also where religion has almost no impact on our day to days lives imagine what it would be like in a place where religion is EVERYTHING.

Maybe instead of worrying about democracy we should have started by teaching them to appreciate religious freedom.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/NEWS01/70109023

Concerned about a possible outbreak of sectarian violence in Michigan, Sunni and Shi'ite leaders worked today to repair their ties after Shi'ite-run mosques and businesses in Detroit were targeted over the weekend by men who may have been Sunni.

The Islamic Shura Council of Michigan, a Sunni coalition group based in Bloomfield Hills, said in a statement today that the incidents may have been hate crimes against Shi'ites.

"Islam does not condone vandalism or desecration of any house of worship," said the council's president Mouhib Ayas.

The vandals broke thick windows at several Iraqi Shi'ite-owned establishments along Warren Avenue in Detroit, close to the border with Dearborn.

The attacks came a week after Shi'ites and others celebrated on the day that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was executed. The celebrations, broadcast often on TV, upset some Sunni Muslims in metro Detroit.

I can't believe that the violence would come to the US between these two sides. It seems like they hate each other and much as they hate the US.

Now imagine if we disenfranchise our illegal immigrant population from the south. Especially the ones converting to Islam while sitting in jail and seeking vengeance. We too shall begin manifesting the same violence from Islam that all countries host to the virus contain.

We will be among some of the last nations to exhibit fatal symptoms, but when our immigrant population booms to well over 100 million by the later half of this century we?ll have reached France?s current civil unrest but on a much greater scale.

The perpetrators of the minor violence today will be the recruiters and leaders of the youth of tomorrow. Their numbers only grow from this point on.