Secret world of US jails

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4946125-102275,00.html

The United States government, in conjunction with key allies, is running an 'invisible' network of prisons and detention centres into which thousands of suspects have disappeared without trace since the 'war on terror' began.
In the past three years, thousands of alleged militants have been transferred around the world by American, Arab and Far Eastern security services, often in secret operations that by-pass extradition laws. The astonishing traffic has seen many, including British citizens, sent from the West to countries where they can be tortured to extract information. Anything learnt is passed on to the US and, in some cases, reaches British intelligence.

The disclosure of the shadowy system will increase pressure on the Bush administration over its 'cavalier' approach to human rights and will embarrass Tony Blair, a staunch ally of President George Bush.

The practice of 'renditions' - when suspects are handed directly into the custody of another state without due process - has sparked particular anger. At least 70 such transfers have occurred, according to CIA sources. Many involve men who have been freed by the courts and are thus legally innocent. Renditions are often used when American interrogators believe that harsh treatment - banned in their own country - would produce results.

The Observer has obtained details of two incidents in which men have been detained by the US despite being found innocent by courts in their own country. In one, a British businessman called Wahab al-Rami, an Iraqi living in the UK and a Palestinian seeking asylum were arrested by US and local officers in Gambia in November 2002 as they stepped off a flight from London.

Their seizure, which followed a tip-off from the UK security services - came just days after they had been arrested by British police on suspicion of terrorism and then freed by a British court.

Two were transported from Gambia to Guantanamo Bay - where they remain today - without any legal process. In the other incident, two Turks, a Saudi, a Kenyan and a Sudanese man were arrested in Malawi in June 2003 on suspicion of funding terrorist networks. Though freed by local courts, the men were handed over to the CIA and held for several months. Campaigners say these incidents are 'the tip of an iceberg'.


Few escape the ghost network of detention facilities, which range from massive prison camps such as that at Guantanamo Bay to naval vessels in the Indian Ocean, so accounts of life inside the new gulag are rare.

One of the most harrowing stories concerns a Syrian-born Canadian, Maher Arar, who was arrested by US authorities in late 2002 during a stopover in New York, on suspicion of terrorist activities.

After several days of questioning, the 34-year-old IT specialist was flown to Jordan, where the CIA passed him on to local security officials. He was repeatedly assaulted in Jordan before being driven to Syria, where he was kept in solitary confinement in a 6ft by 3ft cell for several months and repeatedly beaten with cables. All charges were dropped on his release. Arar said last week that he was 'trying to rebuild [his] life'. 'I never did anything to make me a suspect. I could not believe they would send me back to Syria, but they did,' he said. 'They sent me back to be tortured.'


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Bowmaster

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The practice of 'renditions' ...

Renditions - it's just like an audition, only if you do good enough you get rended... :eek:

To fight an unconventional war takes unconventional means.

And it's OK if those means are that we have to give up our civil liberties? What if you are mistaken to be a terrorist (hey, mistakes happen - quite often). I hear Ben Franklin spinning again...
 

TommyVercetti

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Originally posted by: Bowmaster
The practice of 'renditions' ...

Renditions - it's just like an audition, only if you do good enough you get rended... :eek:

To fight an unconventional war takes unconventional means.

And it's OK if those means are that we have to give up our civil liberties? What if you are mistaken to be a terrorist (hey, mistakes happen - quite often). I hear Ben Franklin spinning again...

Don't have an answer to that question, but the article is talking about foreigners, ie. non US citizens. So we Americans aren't giving up any civil liberties.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: Bowmaster
The practice of 'renditions' ...

Renditions - it's just like an audition, only if you do good enough you get rended... :eek:

To fight an unconventional war takes unconventional means.

And it's OK if those means are that we have to give up our civil liberties? What if you are mistaken to be a terrorist (hey, mistakes happen - quite often). I hear Ben Franklin spinning again...

Don't have an answer to that question, but the article is talking about foreigners, ie. non US citizens. So we Americans aren't giving up any civil liberties.
"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere."
MLK (I believe)

If you believe FOXNews we are now in Month 15 of Operation Iraqi Freedom which is central to the war on terror. I will not bother with the laundry list of reasons the Bushies have used to justify this war but suffice it to say it includes 1) removing a selectively oppressive regime and 2) defending ourselves in the war against terror. But for the former it is abundantly clear that US authorities believe they have the right to be oppressive as well . . . as long as they are oppressing the "right" people for the "right" reason. As for the latter, even the Bushies are beginning to admit that Iraq (and the world) are experiencing MORE terrorism NOT less.
 

boran

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Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: Bowmaster
The practice of 'renditions' ...

Renditions - it's just like an audition, only if you do good enough you get rended... :eek:

To fight an unconventional war takes unconventional means.

And it's OK if those means are that we have to give up our civil liberties? What if you are mistaken to be a terrorist (hey, mistakes happen - quite often). I hear Ben Franklin spinning again...

Don't have an answer to that question, but the article is talking about foreigners, ie. non US citizens. So we Americans aren't giving up any civil liberties.

so it's allright then ?
 

TommyVercetti

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Originally posted by: boran
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: Bowmaster
The practice of 'renditions' ...

Renditions - it's just like an audition, only if you do good enough you get rended... :eek:

To fight an unconventional war takes unconventional means.

And it's OK if those means are that we have to give up our civil liberties? What if you are mistaken to be a terrorist (hey, mistakes happen - quite often). I hear Ben Franklin spinning again...

Don't have an answer to that question, but the article is talking about foreigners, ie. non US citizens. So we Americans aren't giving up any civil liberties.

so it's allright then ?

Well I didn't say if it was right or wrong, all I was saying was that US citizens are not being subject to these things, and our rights are still intact.