"Secret" war #4 ramping up

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh come on come on, can't we see that Obama is pandering to the Saudis. Salem has already fallen, and now the alternative is to side with Yemeni moderates, or watch Al Quida take over.

No American boots on the ground yet, and its likely there will never be any, but still it buys the US and the SA time, to throw monkey wrenches in the ambitions of Yemeni Al-Quida. If it ever comes to a ground war, its SA that must fight it.

One of these days we may get smart enough to realize that relying on oil involves more than just drilling. If we were independent we'd be saying "Saudi who?"

 

[Double Trouble]

I don't have a problem with operations in Yemen, or anywhere else for that matter, in the effort to attack AQ. Unless there's reason to think otherwise, I give the president the benefit of the doubt on these things. It is rather interesting to see how hypocritical the anti-war crowd is. When GWB took actions he was a war mongering baby killer just out to kill brown people, but when Obama takes similar actions in different countries we don't hear a peep from the anti-war loons.

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't have a problem with operations in Yemen, or anywhere else for that matter, in the effort to attack AQ. Unless there's reason to think otherwise, I give the president the benefit of the doubt on these things. It is rather interesting to see how hypocritical the anti-war crowd is. When GWB took actions he was a war mongering baby killer just out to kill brown people, but when Obama takes similar actions in different countries we don't hear a peep from the anti-war loons.

The thing is those "Anti War Loons" were right about Iraq.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

How do you know know no Americans have died in Yemen? Army Special Forces along with Navy SEALs have been in the country for over a year now. I'm not saying any of them have been killed, but we have no way of knowing.

Nobody is saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. We are just saying that it is possible that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

FACT: Young girls were raped and murdered in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck was around in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has never acknowledged or denied that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has not released a long form police report that says he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.

Mr. Beck's silence on this matter is deafening.
(stolen from somewhere else)

 

[Macamus Prime]

Bush sends thousands of US Soldiers to their deaths over something that does not exist; WMDs - and, it's OK.

Obama wants to help out where people are suffering, he is worse than Bush.

Oh, and when Obama snuffed out Osama, the conservative slime quickly forgot and automatically downplayed the significance of it.

Typical conservative slime is typical and slimey.

 

[Darwin333]

You'll see the anti war hawks out en masse if they ever put troops on the ground there. But since this is fought by drones and Yemen troops, no Americans are in the combat zone there. As soon as American bodies start coming home from the war in Yemen or Libya, there will be outrage.

So as long as we are just killing other people and not doing any of the dying ourselves its all good?

 

[Darwin333]

Oh come on come on, can't we see that Obama is pandering to the Saudis. Salem has already fallen, and now the alternative is to side with Yemeni moderates, or watch Al Quida take over.

No American boots on the ground yet, and its likely there will never be any, but still it buys the US and the SA time, to throw monkey wrenches in the ambitions of Yemeni Al-Quida. If it ever comes to a ground war, its SA that must fight it.

We will put every boot we have on the ground in SA if we must to help them prevail. We simply can not afford not to. Why else do you think we give half a fuck about the shithole that is the ME?

 

[Anarchist420]

Well, I expect not only more wars in the ME, but also at least in one of Israel or North Korea. Obama is more of a terrorist and far more harmful to this country than AlQaida could be in their wildest dreams.

It's like he wants someone to attack us. It's obvious from these unnecessary wars he's waging that he's trying to get hyperinflation. I've never understood why people were cheering Osama's death so much, when Obama is the real problem. Obama HATES America.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

black bush is at it again.

War is peace.

Tyranny is freedom.

etc etc etc

 

[Brigandier]

Nobody is saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. We are just saying that it is possible that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

FACT: Young girls were raped and murdered in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck was around in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has never acknowledged or denied that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has not released a long form police report that says he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.

Mr. Beck's silence on this matter is deafening.
(stolen from somewhere else)

Fact: Mr. Beck became a Mormon in 1999.

 

[thraashman]

So as long as we are just killing other people and not doing any of the dying ourselves its all good?

I never said it was good, I just answered the original question. And that was why aren't people outraged. People aren't outraged because Americans aren't dying. Whether that's good or bad I'm not commenting on, just saying why I believe people aren't complaining.

 

[BeauJangles]

Nobody is saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. We are just saying that it is possible that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

FACT: Young girls were raped and murdered in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck was around in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has never acknowledged or denied that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
FACT: Glenn Beck has not released a long form police report that says he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.

Mr. Beck's silence on this matter is deafening.
(stolen from somewhere else)

Are you really that much of a fool, or do you just play one on the internet?

Read what I wrote, in context, instead of pulling it out of context and trying to be a smart-ass. What I wrote was in response to someone saying that the minute Americans start dying in Yemen, they'll be a huge reaction here. That is patently untrue because the military will not report the deaths of special operations soldiers in a country we are not engaged in a war with.

So, attempts at smart-ass remarks aside, do you disagree with that assessment?

 

[finglobes]

Obama killed the antiwar movement. Its been exposed as just an anti-Bush/GOP movement. Obama has the US in two more wars and barely a peep out of the libs. Not even for the "Death Squad" photos in Afghanistan made a ripple with the left and MSM. If that happened under Bush it would have been death squad 24/7. The left never cared about Iraq or troop/civilian deaths. Now Obama is using US troops and wealth to put the anti-American and anti-Israel Islamists in power. The people who cheered 9-11 and Locerbie now have US running interference for them - and the US libs are quite ok with that

 

[blackangst1]

Bush sends thousands of US Soldiers to their deaths over something that does not exist; WMDs - and, it's OK.

Obama wants to help out where people are suffering, he is worse than Bush.

Oh, and when Obama snuffed out Osama, the conservative slime quickly forgot and automatically downplayed the significance of it.

Typical conservative slime is typical and slimey.

Who downplayed it? Ive seen clips of even the wacky right types (Beck and Rush for example) congratulating Obama on the kill.

I understand we are still going after AQ. But why? Who had a hand in the planning or execution of 9/11 havent we killed or captured? Another poster made the statement that AQ declared war on us, and unless they surrender it will continue.

Really? A splinter organization whose head we chopped off with no real leadership or organization? So we just carry out bombings wherever we find some suspected AQ member until the end of eternity?

Fuck. This WOT is turning into the war on drugs and it's draining our resources.

 

[Red Dawn]

Who downplayed it? Ive seen clips of even the wacky right types (Beck and Rush for example) congratulating Obama on the kill.

I understand we are still going after AQ. But why? Who had a hand in the planning or execution of 9/11 havent we killed or captured? Another poster made the statement that AQ declared war on us, and unless they surrender it will continue.

Really? A splinter organization whose head we chopped off with no real leadership or organization? So we just carry out bombings wherever we find some suspected AQ member until the end of eternity?

Fuck. This WOT is turning into the war on drugs and it's draining our resources.

Son keeping them on their heels is a hell of a lot cheaper than ignoring them until they take out a couple of major shoppings malls, a rail station or even a city.

 

[blackangst1]

Son keeping them on their heels is a hell of a lot cheaper than ignoring them until they take out a couple of major shoppings malls, a rail station or even a city.

Hey if you're OK being a war hawk and indiscriminately bombing other countries, good for you. Just be honest about it, 'kay?

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey if you're OK being a war hawk and indiscriminately bombing other countries, good for you. Just be honest about it, 'kay?

I'm not any more of a War Hawk than your average American was on Dec8 1941.

In addition please point out where we are indiscriminately bombing other countries? We discriminating with the targets we bomb. In fact there was a 4 month lull in bombing Al Qeada targets in Yemen because we weren't sure how accurate the info we were getting from that area regarding their where abouts.

Now indiscriminating was invading Iraq.

Stop being such a Derp,'kay?

 

[blackangst1]

I'm not any more of a War Hawk than your average American was on Dec8 1941.

In addition please point out where we are indiscriminately bombing other countries? We discriminating with the targets we bomb. In fact there was a 4 month lull in bombing Al Qeada targets in Yemen because we weren't sure how accurate the info we were getting from that area regarding their where abouts.

Now indiscriminating was invading Iraq.

Stop being such a Derp,'kay?

*shrug* fair enough. Im happy you support a POTUS that supports and expands the Bush doctrine: the policy of preventive war -- using the U.S. military to eliminate potentially dangerous enemies, rather than using military force only when the United States is clearly threatened. I bet a search would find you criticizing this policy just 4 years ago.

Not to mention the increased spending

And the continuation of GITMO.

And expanding the Patriot Act.

Fuckin A youre looking like a neo con more and more!

 

[chucky2]

It is actually amazing the conversion to conserative/Republican/Neocon some of the Lib's here have had once 'their team' got into power. For people who I'm sure would swear on a stack of Bibles (or whatever they hold sacred) they aren't hypocrites, they sure have made some amazing reversals (and/or stayed awefully quiet on things they couldn't stop bleeting about when 'Bush&Co' was running things).

Absolutely amazing...

 

[Zebo]

I don't have a problem with operations in Yemen, or anywhere else for that matter, in the effort to attack AQ. Unless there's reason to think otherwise, I give the president the benefit of the doubt on these things. It is rather interesting to see how hypocritical the anti-war crowd is. When GWB took actions he was a war mongering baby killer just out to kill brown people, but when Obama takes similar actions in different countries we don't hear a peep from the anti-war loons.

It's foolish people and policy like this why I always say "this war is just getting started"

There are perhaps tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands now that spend every waking hour plotting their revenge for bomb dropped on their sisters wedding, or parents van who was blown up. As nuclear/biological weapons proliferate it's just a matter of time before a big one goes off in one of our major cities. We will respond hard core I'm sure and with even more a police state we are already getting in including internment.

 

[Red Dawn]

*shrug* fair enough. Im happy you support a POTUS that supports and expands the Bush doctrine: the policy of preventive war -- using the U.S. military to eliminate potentially dangerous enemies, rather than using military force only when the United States is clearly threatened. I bet a search would find you criticizing this policy just 4 years ago.

Not to mention the increased spending

And the continuation of GITMO.

And expanding the Patriot Act.

Fuckin A youre looking like a neo con more and more!

Your circular debating style reminds me of an ugly giant amazonian bitch some of us have the unfortunate misfortune of knowing.:ninja:

You won't see me criticizing going after Al Qeada and they are more than potentially dangerous, they have proven themselves dangerous. You will see me criticizing invading Iraq based on lies and bullshit and that's what the Bush Doctrine really is, going to war on lies and bullshit.

I also am not in support of expanding the Patriot Act and I do think we need to close Gitmo.

 

[Craig234]

Obama killed the antiwar movement. Its been exposed as just an anti-Bush/GOP movement. Obama has the US in two more wars and barely a peep out of the libs. Not even for the "Death Squad" photos in Afghanistan made a ripple with the left and MSM. If that happened under Bush it would have been death squad 24/7. The left never cared about Iraq or troop/civilian deaths. Now Obama is using US troops and wealth to put the anti-American and anti-Israel Islamists in power. The people who cheered 9-11 and Locerbie now have US running interference for them - and the US libs are quite ok with that

You don't seem to understand some things, one of which is the dynamic of our two-party system, that when the 'anti-war' guy wins, but isn't all that anti-war, the anti-war people don't have all that much leverage. Remember, the other guy was the one singing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran", and it wasn't ironic. It's not all that easy for the anti-war people to replace the incumbent president with a more anti-war one - Dennis Kucinich ran and lost.

Another is your deceptive framing, such as implicitly equating the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the ones in Libya and Yemen, just counting them as 'two more wars' like there's no difference and not a word about the fact that there's basically no comparison between the two in terms of the US activities. We've have IIRC over 6,000 killed in Iraq and about 1,600 in Afghanistan, not to mention millions displace, hundreds of thousands we killed - how many Americans killed in Libya and Yemen?

As to your distortions of the US policy - you are attacking democracy. If democracy in a country means a Muslim government, of whatever flavor, that's what it means.

You are implicitly saying it's better for us to destroy democracy and back another dictator who puts us ahead of the people of the country. No, thanks.

When a foreign government is a real threat, we can take more action. When we can practically intervene for humanitarian need, ok. We don't need to be tyrants.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not any more of a War Hawk than your average American was on Dec8 1941.

In addition please point out where we are indiscriminately bombing other countries? We discriminating with the targets we bomb. In fact there was a 4 month lull in bombing Al Qeada targets in Yemen because we weren't sure how accurate the info we were getting from that area regarding their where abouts.

Now indiscriminating was invading Iraq.

Stop being such a Derp,'kay?

So, how do you feel about the Iraq War? 'Cause you're sending mixed signals. I mean, there are a good 10% of your posts where you don't even mention it.

Personally I'm fine with all four wars. My only complaint is that we don't have enough troops; we need to add four to six more light infantry divisions if we're going to fight any ground war. And they need to be financed with a separate levy, so that we don't starve our military of needed equipment upgrades to fight the war on terror. Either it's a real war, worthy of a plainly worded declaration of war, separate funding, and increased military commitment, or it's not worth participating. These attempts by both Bush and Obama to play war on the cheap just get people killed and overstrain our military.

 

[ElFenix]

isn't this war #3 since it started before libya?

 

[Nintendesert]

#3 Or #4, meh! Whose counting? I'm curious as to wether we support the people or prop up friendly regimes again.