Secret Deportation Hearings ruled Unconstitutional

[justint]

Washingtonpost

 

[mithrandir2001]

A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that the press and public must be allowed to witness immigration hearings for suspects detained in the Sept. 11 investigation, strongly rebuking the Bush administration for its policy of maximum secrecy in the war on terrorism.

Smart decision.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001

A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that the press and public must be allowed to witness immigration hearings for suspects detained in the Sept. 11 investigation, strongly rebuking the Bush administration for its policy of maximum secrecy in the war on terrorism.

Smart decision.

Amen.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001

A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that the press and public must be allowed to witness immigration hearings for suspects detained in the Sept. 11 investigation, strongly rebuking the Bush administration for its policy of maximum secrecy in the war on terrorism.

Smart decision.

i dunno, they got all this from the first amendment?

 

[Amused]

By allowing the evidence against the detainees to be heard in open court, you allow the terrorist organizations to know how much intelligence info you have, and how you got it. This very well could compromise what little intel we have left after 10 plus years of having our intel agencies gutted.

There needs to be a medium here. One that allows the public to see what is happening, but one that also protects our intelligence agency's ability to gather info.

Until that medium can be reached, I have no problem with them wishing to keep it secret.

 

[unclebabar]

By allowing the evidence against the detainees to be heard in open court, you allow the terrorist organizations to know how much intelligence info you have, and how you got it. This very well could compromise what little intel we have left after 10 plus years of having our intel agencies gutted.

It's a little ironic that the government's need for secrecy protects it's ability to make surprise attacks which is just like the terrorist's, modus operendi, which is almost exclusively sneaky attacks.

 

[tcsenter]

It will take The Supreme Court about 3 seconds to reverse this decision. You should be deported if we don't like the way you part your hair. There is no "right" to come to the United States, it is a privilege and we can dictate the terms and conditions of your stay.

 

[SuperTool]

I think permanent residents should not have secret deportation hearings, because some of them have been living here for 10 years or more, and they have a life here that could be disrupted.
On the other hand, if someone comes in on a tourist visa, or illegally enters this country, the government should be able to deport (not imprison) them with secret evidence hearings, because there is no expectation of being allowed to stay here in the states.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: unclebabar

By allowing the evidence against the detainees to be heard in open court, you allow the terrorist organizations to know how much intelligence info you have, and how you got it. This very well could compromise what little intel we have left after 10 plus years of having our intel agencies gutted.

It's a little ironic that the government's need for secrecy protects it's ability to make surprise attacks which is just like the terrorist's, modus operendi, which is almost exclusively sneaky attacks.

No. Actually it protects our ability to identify, infiltrate and neutralize these threats BEFORE they attack us. Which is a much better alternative than the knee-jerk reactionism after the fact that we've been seeing.

 

[Tiger]

I think permanent residents should not have secret deportation hearings, because some of them have been living here for 10 years or more, and they have a life here that could be disrupted.

If they're here that long and aren't citizens I couldn't care less about disrupting their lives.
If you want the rights and privileges of citizenship then suck it up and do it. If not, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[giguana]

Terrorists and illegals are not protected by the first amendment so it can't be unconstitutional. They have no rights in this country. They don't even have the right to a fair trial because they are not citizens of the US.

I say we just kill them all and let God sort them out.

 

[UltraQuiet]

But Keith wrote that the government had failed to show that secrecy was necessary to protect national security in every case

This is the pertinent point, IMO. I am sure that there are national security/intelligence issues in at least some, if not more, of these cases. The gov't should have to prove to someone (maybe similar to the FISA rotating court) that the hearings and proceedings should be closed. Both sides have valid arguments and I will be curious to see what the full court or the Supreme Court rules.

 

[Tiger]

Terrorists and illegals are not protected by the first amendment

It's not a free speech case, it's a due process case.
I do tend to agree with DaveSohmer, although if these people are here illegally why do any constitutional protections apply?

 

[bulldawg]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
It will take The Supreme Court about 3 seconds to reverse this decision. You should be deported if we don't like the way you part your hair. There is no "right" to come to the United States, it is a privilege and we can dictate the terms and conditions of your stay.

I can't believe the whiners have not condemned you, but I agree with the basic idea.

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: Tiger

Terrorists and illegals are not protected by the first amendment

It's not a free speech case, it's a due process case.
I do tend to agree with DaveSohmer, although if these people are here illegally why do any constitutional protections apply?

Idealism. The Consitution is the blueprint under which all governments should be established. It's kinda hypocritical for the US to exalt our ideals and standards but say "oh, but they don't apply to you."

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: bulldawg

Originally posted by: tcsenter
It will take The Supreme Court about 3 seconds to reverse this decision. You should be deported if we don't like the way you part your hair. There is no "right" to come to the United States, it is a privilege and we can dictate the terms and conditions of your stay.

I can't believe the whiners have not condemned you, but I agree with the basic idea.

tcsenter's post was satire.

 

[tcsenter]

tcsenter's post was satire.

It was?

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

tcsenter's post was satire.

It was?

If it wasn't, then I'll need to rile up "the whiners" to condemn you.