Second Class Soldiers

[Red Dawn]

Some American Soldiers in Iraq have to buy their own body armor

Nancy Durst recently learned that her husband, a soldier with an Army reserve unit from Maine serving in Iraq, spent four months without body armor. She said she would have bought armor for her husband had vests not been cycled into his unit.

Even if her husband now has body armor, Durst said she was angry he was without it at any time. Her husband also has told her that reservists have not been given the same equipment as active duty soldiers. "They're so sick of being treated as second-class soldiers," she said.

 

[zillafurby]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Some American Soldiers in Iraq have to buy their own body armor

Nancy Durst recently learned that her husband, a soldier with an Army reserve unit from Maine serving in Iraq, spent four months without body armor. She said she would have bought armor for her husband had vests not been cycled into his unit.

Even if her husband now has body armor, Durst said she was angry he was without it at any time. Her husband also has told her that reservists have not been given the same equipment as active duty soldiers. "They're so sick of being treated as second-class soldiers," she said.

didnt they know the government and army doesnt care about them?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zillafurby

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Some American Soldiers in Iraq have to buy their own body armor

Nancy Durst recently learned that her husband, a soldier with an Army reserve unit from Maine serving in Iraq, spent four months without body armor. She said she would have bought armor for her husband had vests not been cycled into his unit.

Even if her husband now has body armor, Durst said she was angry he was without it at any time. Her husband also has told her that reservists have not been given the same equipment as active duty soldiers. "They're so sick of being treated as second-class soldiers," she said.

didnt they know the government and army doesnt care about them?

I think it's more of a case of Rummy and the Neocons trying to fight this war on the cheap. Prior to the Invasion and occupation Gen Shishenski stated that it would take many more men and much more money than Rummy and the Neocons had estimated to effectively occupy Iraq and in return Shishenski was demoted.

 

[Moonbeam]

Cheney says Kerry voted against the funding and that it was really a supply problem. Only one company making the good stuff but now lots are. You have to understand that for every fault in the Bush Administration there is an excuse that shines it on. All people care about is that there be some answer to every criticism so they can go back to sleep with their fantasies undisturbed. A supply problem, thank God. Hahaha, when will those idiot democrats ever learn.

 

[DoubleL]

The senate supplys the military not the president so if you have a problem call your senator, Kerry did vote against the funding, Then he said well it had to much pork, Well he and the others put the pork in there to start with

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
The senate supplys the military not the president so if you have a problem call your senator, Kerry did vote against the funding, Then he said well it had to much pork, Well he and the others put the pork in there to start with

The Senate is nothing but Puppeteers for the President.

That's what you get when NeoCons control all of it.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: DoubleL
The senate supplys the military not the president so if you have a problem call your senator, Kerry did vote against the funding, Then he said well it had to much pork, Well he and the others put the pork in there to start with

The Senate is nothing but Puppeteers for the President.

So that is why Kerry always acts like such an idiot!

 

[zillafurby]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zillafurby

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Some American Soldiers in Iraq have to buy their own body armor

Nancy Durst recently learned that her husband, a soldier with an Army reserve unit from Maine serving in Iraq, spent four months without body armor. She said she would have bought armor for her husband had vests not been cycled into his unit.

Even if her husband now has body armor, Durst said she was angry he was without it at any time. Her husband also has told her that reservists have not been given the same equipment as active duty soldiers. "They're so sick of being treated as second-class soldiers," she said.

didnt they know the government and army doesnt care about them?

I think it's more of a case of Rummy and the Neocons trying to fight this war on the cheap. Prior to the Invasion and occupation Gen Shishenski stated that it would take many more men and much more money than Rummy and the Neocons had estimated to effectively occupy Iraq and in return Shishenski was demoted.

rumsfeld's brand of 1980's management skills might work on a minor defence contractor, but it falls short in addressing the change of government in a spuspicous and hostile population.

if they are spending 1bn a week, i think they should be able to organise some bolt-on armour for the hummers and some kit for the troops.

 

[DoubleL]

What Part of The Senate Supplys The Military Did You Not Understand and the senate is controlled by the Dems

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Why send national guard to Iraq at all? This seems like George Bush trying to validate the guard and moreover, his service in it,more than any necessity to have them there. If you're going to send them there at least give them the same equipment the regular army has. I know around here the national guard armory has mostly all old used stuff. I had always assumed that was because they don't really go fight anywhere.The stuff would still work if my state were invaded, but its not ideal to bring to an invasion.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
The senate supplys the military not the president so if you have a problem call your senator, Kerry did vote against the funding, Then he said well it had to much pork, Well he and the others put the pork in there to start with

The president puts in requests for funding. Congress doles it out. The pentagon should have had the foresight to see the need for more body armour and the president should have requested more funding for it when they requested the money to pay for Iraq. It's the pentagons fault they didn't plan properly, of course they were working on the assumption that we would be welcomed with open arms.

 

[CaptnKirk]

DoubleL

"What Part of The Senate Supplys The Military Did You Not Understand and the senate is controlled by the Dems"

Where in the hell have you been for the last 2 years ?
Really savy about politics aren't you.

The Republicans are in charge of BOTH house and Senate,

Senate 2002

House 1994

Senator Jim Jeffords swicthing from Republican to Independant in May of 2001 kept the Senate balanced, but that only
lasted until the 2002 election cycle, where the GOP finally regained absolute control for the first time in 50 years.

 

[DoubleL]

I am wrong, So use to the Dems running things and they still are that that one got by me

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
I am wrong, So use to the Dems running things and they still are that that one got by me

Not to worry, you can replace that delusion with one of the newer ones provided by one of the previous YABA posters and go right back to sleep.

 

[DoubleL]

Moonbeam set on it, I don't have or need any posters and I don't have a cow so I don't need, You know where it goes from there, Kerry voted not to fund the military, Not to send body armor and then blamed Bush for not sending body armor, Facts are facts and just cause I am sick and not thinking straight right now doesn't change that,

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
Moonbeam set on it, I don't have or need any posters and I don't have a cow so I don't need, You know where it goes from there, Kerry voted not to fund the military, Not to send body armor and then blamed Bush for not sending body armor, Facts are facts and just cause I am sick and not thinking straight right now doesn't change that,

Kerry voted against s.1689, a bill that was certain to win approval, due to IIRC the way it was going to be funded. However, the Bush Administration was prepared to veto s.1689 because of a provision making a portion of the "assistance" to Iraq a loan, Raw Data: White House Veto Threat. Which is worse voting against something on principle or threatening to veto a bill due to the language of how a money payment was to be given to the Iraq people.

below a small portion -

"Given the critical need, the Administration strongly opposes the Senate provision that would convert a portion of this assistance to a loan mechanism. If this provision is not removed, the President's senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill. Including a loan mechanism"

 

[SuperTool]

Also, that 87B bill was after Bush sent troops to Iraq without body armor.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
Moonbeam set on it, I don't have or need any posters and I don't have a cow so I don't need, You know where it goes from there, Kerry voted not to fund the military, Not to send body armor and then blamed Bush for not sending body armor, Facts are facts and just cause I am sick and not thinking straight right now doesn't change that,

Hey, relax, you're doing just what I told you to do and it worked real good. Sing a few bars of rock'a'bye'baby, you'll feel just great. The truth is the truth, as you say.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Also, that 87B bill was after Bush sent troops to Iraq without body armor.

BINGO!!!

 

[DoubleL]

I need to stop coming here it is costing me to much money, Man their is a lot of kids in here that try and start trouble, No moonbeam I have a kidney infection and need to keep moving as long as I can, It just messed with your mind with the high tem. I am glad you are going out of you way to try and help me though

 

[0roo0roo]

apparently quick to scream "bring it on!!"(attacks on our troops) not so quick to actually protect them.

guess it goes with the other lies, like that he was strong on terrorism

 

[zillafurby]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
apparently quick to scream "bring it on!!"(attacks on our troops) not so quick to actually protect them.

guess it goes with the other lies, like that he was strong on terrorism

while he hides in a dc bunker, or serves up turkey 'for the troops'

 

[LordMagnusKain]

 

[LordMagnusKain]

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Cheney says Kerry voted against the funding and that it was really a supply problem. Only one company making the good stuff but now lots are. You have to understand that for every fault in the Bush Administration there is an excuse that shines it on. All people care about is that there be some answer to every criticism so they can go back to sleep with their fantasies undisturbed. A supply problem, thank God. Hahaha, when will those idiot democrats ever learn.

that sarcasm makes no sense moon, the military industrial complex doesn't benefit from not filling orders; and they don't benefit from having lower levels of public opinion;

a better argument would be that we should have waited t'll we didn't have a supply problem, but then we didn't know how long it'd be t'll Saddam was an eminent threat.

and you could say that we needed more intelegence, and i could say that in a post 9/11 world the requirement for 'actionable intelegence' is much lower; and you can say that 9/11 didn't change this sort of thing and i can say that I'll see you at the polls.

OK, good conversation!