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Oil

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Hey Oil... Crowton's out, I'm sure you knew that already though. Sources are saying they are going to go OUT of the program for a new OC.

What say you?

Well there is a rumor that Billy G called the plays for the Cotton Bowl. If true, he should get a shot at being the OC
 
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Tim

I heard Crowton called the game. I'm not all that wild about Billy either. I think out of the program is the way to go! :)
 

Squisher

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I have come to the conclusion that the only way to dominate in college football is to cheat or allow cheating. For every football scandal there are 100 scandals that were never uncovered. If you're bringing in the best of the best from around the country then your are really good at dangling something in front of the eyes of high schoolers besides tradition, academics, and those things that would pave their way into the NFL.
 

Patranus

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I have come to the conclusion that the only way to dominate in college football is to cheat or allow cheating. For every football scandal there are 100 scandals that were never uncovered. If you're bringing in the best of the best from around the country then your are really good at dangling something in front of the eyes of high schoolers besides tradition, academics, and those things that would pave their way into the NFL.

What is really sad is the way the media covers these different issues. There is a clear media bias in relation to how different conferences are covered. The bias is usually directly related to media contracts.

Look at how the entire Reggie Bush thing was handled. Yahoo! Sports pretty much pushed the story over and over again. The NCAA came to its finding based on the word of a convicted felon, a felon who was convicted of perjury. The claimed major rules violation was because of his parents.

Then we look at Ohio State. The players broke the rules and profited directly from their actions. The players were suspended but *shocker* they weren't suspended for their bowl game. In this case, instead of vilifying Ohio State/the players, outlets like Yahoo! pushed the story in terms of how unfair the NCAA rules are because they profit but the students cannot.

Finally we have Cam Newton. He stole a laptop, wrote his name on the stolen laptop, and threw the laptop out of his window when the popo showed up. He committed academic fraud at Florida and lied on his transfer applications. His dad solicited his son in exchange for money and "won big" in a boosters casino (right). When you turn on the national championship game, ESPN covers it like this kid overcame so much adversity. They treat him like a hero. They say that is father is staying away and didn't even attend the game - except for the fact that he was at the game. What was the repercussions from the NCAA? Nothing. How much of it do we see in the media? None.

Continuing to look at the coverage of the mNCG we see 2 SEC guys doing the half time show.
 

JujuFish

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The SEC is the best football conference right now and I don't understand why fans of other conferences are so up in arms about that statement.
 

Zargon

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What is really sad is the way the media covers these different issues. There is a clear media bias in relation to how different conferences are covered. The bias is usually directly related to media contracts.

Look at how the entire Reggie Bush thing was handled. Yahoo! Sports pretty much pushed the story over and over again. The NCAA came to its finding based on the word of a convicted felon, a felon who was convicted of perjury. The claimed major rules violation was because of his parents.

Then we look at Ohio State. The players broke the rules and profited directly from their actions. The players were suspended but *shocker* they weren't suspended for their bowl game. In this case, instead of vilifying Ohio State/the players, outlets like Yahoo! pushed the story in terms of how unfair the NCAA rules are because they profit but the students cannot.

Finally we have Cam Newton. He stole a laptop, wrote his name on the stolen laptop, and threw the laptop out of his window when the popo showed up. He committed academic fraud at Florida and lied on his transfer applications. His dad solicited his son in exchange for money and "won big" in a boosters casino (right). When you turn on the national championship game, ESPN covers it like this kid overcame so much adversity. They treat him like a hero. They say that is father is staying away and didn't even attend the game - except for the fact that he was at the game. What was the repercussions from the NCAA? Nothing. How much of it do we see in the media? None.

Continuing to look at the coverage of the mNCG we see 2 SEC guys doing the half time show.

it used to be that any appearance or claim of improper recruiting brought down the thunder(or just lie about someone else and get them in trouble)

now you can barely get caught
 

Gibsons

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What is really sad is the way the media covers these different issues. There is a clear media bias in relation to how different conferences are covered. The bias is usually directly related to media contracts.

Look at how the entire Reggie Bush thing was handled. Yahoo! Sports pretty much pushed the story over and over again. The NCAA came to its finding based on the word of a convicted felon, a felon who was convicted of perjury. The claimed major rules violation was because of his parents.

Then we look at Ohio State. The players broke the rules and profited directly from their actions. The players were suspended but *shocker* they weren't suspended for their bowl game. In this case, instead of vilifying Ohio State/the players, outlets like Yahoo! pushed the story in terms of how unfair the NCAA rules are because they profit but the students cannot.

Finally we have Cam Newton. He stole a laptop, wrote his name on the stolen laptop, and threw the laptop out of his window when the popo showed up. He committed academic fraud at Florida and lied on his transfer applications. His dad solicited his son in exchange for money and "won big" in a boosters casino (right). When you turn on the national championship game, ESPN covers it like this kid overcame so much adversity. They treat him like a hero. They say that is father is staying away and didn't even attend the game - except for the fact that he was at the game. What was the repercussions from the NCAA? Nothing. How much of it do we see in the media? None.

Continuing to look at the coverage of the mNCG we see 2 SEC guys doing the half time show.
First, on the media bias in terms of coverage - the Cam Newton story was all over the news, more than any other sports story for at least a few weeks. Not sure why OSU's pretty blatant stuff hasn't received more coverage. They've admitted to violations.

Second, Cam Newton didn't steal a laptop.

Third, the academic fraud reports are just reports from Thayer Evans who has a serious hardon for Cam and Auburn. Evans has a history of less than stellar reporting, ask Texas fans about him. Cam's academic record at UF is clean, end of story.

What lie did he tell on his transfer application? Have you seen his transfer application? Again, his academic record at UF is clean.

Finally, there's no evidence (so far) about any of the Newton's taking any money, or receiving any benefits at all. I think you read about a casino on a message board somewhere or have your scandals mixed up. Cecil turned his bank records over to the NCAA a long time ago.
 

Patranus

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Second, Cam Newton didn't steal a laptop.

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(Recovered stolen laptop. I am sure it wan't Cam Newton who stole it......LOL)
 

Gibsons

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He was in possession of a stolen laptop, nobody denies that.

You're a USC fan right? You shouldn't be throwing stones at anyone.
 

Pens1566

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He was in serious trouble @ UF. I don't think I've ever seen anyone deny that. You don't transfer from UF to a D2 school unless you HAVE to.
 

Gibsons

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He was in serious trouble @ UF. I don't think I've ever seen anyone deny that. You don't transfer from UF to a D2 school unless you HAVE to.

If he'd really been in trouble, he wouldn't have been able to transfer.
 
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He was in possession of a stolen laptop, nobody denies that.

You're a USC fan right? You shouldn't be throwing stones at anyone.

On top of that, he's claiming that people are more eager to throw stones at USC than anyone else.

Tinfoil hat AND jealousy.

Cool!
 

Gibsons

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Unless he lied.

Why is this so difficult?

Maybe he did lie, but he's admitted to the crime of purchasing stolen property. The charges were dismissed.

No matter what he did, at least he didn't slice two peoples necks like a USC Heisman winner allegedly did.

Where did he lie on his transfer application? Or are just making things up/lying?
 

Fingolfin269

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The point of the one that said "titles by CURRENT conference membership" is, um, not to show where they were when they won the title. That's the point of the one above.

For example, see...Miami.

Ha you're right, I can't read.

F this discussion. It is why college football is stupid (but also brilliant to some). We need a playoff.
 

Oil

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I find it absurd that people believe Reggie Bush received any benefits at all. Ridiculous! His parents were able to live in a home for free due to the kindness of strangers. Also, his girlfriend miraculously was given a Range Rover with which he drove it on only a 'few' occasions
 

roguerower

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It's ok, next year will FINALLY be our year...yea right! I've heard that line so many times that I just brush it off now, especially after this year's catastrophic beginning and end. I'll start believing it when I see a major coaching shakeup.

That said, I will concede that the SEC is the best FOOTBALL conference in the FBS. Every conference has its niche and role to play. The Big East aint shit in football but they're pretty damn good in basketball. The ACC is pretty shitty in football right now and pretty ok in basketball but does better in a lot of other sports not in the limelight and based off US News & Rankings numbers it's the best conference in the FBS academically.
 

Patranus

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I find it absurd that people believe Reggie Bush received any benefits at all. Ridiculous! His parents were able to live in a home for free due to the kindness of strangers. Also, his girlfriend miraculously was given a Range Rover with which he drove it on only a 'few' occasions

You mean the Range Rover he got his GF after he was in the NFL.

God, if you are going to make your accusations at least try and make them plausible.
 

zinfamous

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hard for me to argue against that. I hate having to watch Pac 10 sports out here, it really sucks.

Would have loved to see Stanford in that game, though. would have been awesome. I still don't know how 2 very good teams came out of this shitty shit conference.
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No love for the SEC either, but until someone stops them...

just glad that Bball has started. Although it's mostly Duke for every fucking national game, still glad to see some real Bball for once (ACC)
:)
 

zinfamous

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It's ok, next year will FINALLY be our year...yea right! I've heard that line so many times that I just brush it off now, especially after this year's catastrophic beginning and end. I'll start believing it when I see a major coaching shakeup.

That said, I will concede that the SEC is the best FOOTBALL conference in the FBS. Every conference has its niche and role to play. The Big East aint shit in football but they're pretty damn good in basketball. The ACC is pretty shitty in football right now and pretty ok in basketball but does better in a lot of other sports not in the limelight and based off US News & Rankings numbers it's the best conference in the FBS academically.

it's b/c you expansion schools tainted our purity!!

:(:mad::mad:
 

roguerower

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it's b/c you expansion schools tainted our purity!!

:(:mad::mad:

Yea...VT needs to get their shit together with its sports. The move to the ACC didn't really do anything football wise because the conference went down the shitter, and all over our other teams are still playing catch up.

I don't like basketball and in the 5 years I was at VT I never attended a game.
 

zinfamous

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Yea...VT needs to get their shit together with its sports. The move to the ACC didn't really do anything football wise because the conference went down the shitter, and all over our other teams are still playing catch up.

I don't like basketball and in the 5 years I was at VT I never attended a game.

yeah, shame. ACC is all about basketball. always has been. Most of us remain rather steamed that this was a pure Football decision. I love football and everything, but all and all I think things have progressed poorly for everyone, on each side of the coin.

....I also think it's ridiculous that even after expansion, the ACC gets an auto bid for BCS. lol.
 

Squisher

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...Then we look at Ohio State...
Terrelle Pryor got pulled over by the cops 3 times last year all three times he was driving different new cars on loan to him while "his car was in the shop." All three times the cops let him go. When everyone is in on it, it's pretty hard to catch somebody.