Seattle's airport removes Christmas trees to avoid lawsuit from rabbi, UPDATE : Christmas Trees Go Back Up

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The Associated PressPublished: December 10, 2006

SEATAC, Washington: All nine Christmas trees have been removed from the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport instead of adding a giant Jewish menorah to the holiday display as a rabbi had requested.

Maintenance workers boxed up the trees during the graveyard shift early Saturday, when airport bosses believed few people would notice.

"We decided to take the trees down because we didn't want to be exclusive," said airport spokeswoman Terri-Ann Betancourt. "We're trying to be thoughtful and respectful, and will review policies after the first of the year."

Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, who made his request weeks ago, said he was appalled by the decision. He had hired a lawyer and threatened to sue if the Port of Seattle did not add the menorah next to the trees, which had been festooned with red ribbons and bows.

After consulting with lawyers, port staff believed that adding the menorah would have required adding symbols for other religions and cultures in the Northwest. The holidays are the busiest season at the airport and the staff did not have time to play cultural anthropologists, she said.

Hanukkah begins this Friday at sundown.

"They've darkened the hall instead of turning the lights up," said his lawyer, Harvey Grad. "There is a concern here that the Jewish community will be portrayed as the Grinch."

UPDATE: Christmas trees are going back up at Sea-Tac airport

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December 11, 2006

Christmas trees are going back up at Sea-Tac airport
By Janet I. Tu and Lornet Turnbull

Seattle Times staff reporters

Text of the Port of Seattle news release
Airport's trees stoking "war on Christmas"

The holiday trees that went away in the middle of the night are back.

Tonight, Port of Seattle staff began putting up the trees they had taken down Friday night after a local rabbi requested that a Hanukkah menorah also be displayed. Port officials said the rabbi's lawyer had threatened to imminently file a lawsuit, leaving them with insufficient time to consider all the issues.

A nationwide furor erupted over the weekend as news of the trees' removal spread, with a flood of calls to Port officials and harshly worded e-mails to Jewish organizations. Today, Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky said he would not file a lawsuit and the Port, in response, said it would put the trees back up.

"This has been an unfortunate situation for all of us in Seattle," Port of Seattle Commission President Pat Davis said in a statement. "The rabbi never asked us to remove the trees; it was the Port's decision based on what we knew at the time. We very much appreciate the rabbi's willingness to work with us as we move forward."

A menorah will not be displayed this year.

Port spokesman Bob Parker said "we look forward to sitting down after the first of the year with not only Rabbi Bogomilsky but others as well, and finding ways to make sure there's an appropriate winter holiday representation for all faiths. We want to find out a way to celebrate the winter holidays that is sensitive to all faiths."

Bogomilsky, who works with Chabad-Lubavitch, an Orthodox Jewish outreach organization, said, "Like people from all cultures and religions, we're thrilled the trees are going back up."

But he said he was disappointed that Port officials chose not to put up the menorah as well, pointing out there are still several days until the start of Hannukah. "I still hope that they'll consider putting the menorah up this year. But ultimately it's their decision."

He also said he hopes the Port will apologize for mischaracterizations that led people to believe he was against having the trees displayed.

"At the end of the day it's not about trees, but adding light to the holiday, not diminishing any light."

At the airport tonight, Matt Bachleda of Snohomish was playing cards while waiting for his daughter to arrive from Paris. He was surprised to see Port staff putting a tree back up in the baggage claim area.

"It looks like Christmas is back," he said.

The reaction to the trees' removal had been swift and vociferous. News outlets nationwide picked up the story.

"There's been such an outcry from the public ? from people of all faiths ? who believe that the trees should be reinstalled," Davis said. "I'm very thankful that we can return the trees and get back to running our airport during this very busy holiday season."

Port Commissioner John Creighton said he had been swamped with e-mails, 99.9 percent of which supported putting the trees put back up.

"I'm overjoyed as to the resolution," Creighton said. "I'm very happy we were able to reach an agreement that was acceptable to the rabbi and to us."

Creighton said he personally would've preferred the airport also put up a menorah this year. But "there's a fair amount of sensitvity at the airport. Whatever we do, we do after putting some thought into it."

The situation began rather quietly back in late October or early November when Mitchell Stein, a construction consultant for the Port, contacted a Port staffer saying he'd like to put up a large menorah near the Christmas tree at the international arrival hall.

Stein, who is Jewish and is friends with Bogomilsky, said he thought it would be a "great opportunity for the Port to show their joy and commitment to diversity."

Over the next several weeks, though, he said, he was referred to several different people on staff, who told him different things about whether a menorah would be allowed.

Stein said Harvey Grad, the rabbi's attorney, contacted the Port last week and sent officials there a legal brief as a way of spurring action, given that Hanukkah was coming up, and to let the Port know the legal precedents involved in the issue.

It was not intended to be threatening, Stein said. When Port commissioners "told us just before Shabbat that they were taking down all the Christmas trees, we were totally aghast."

But some Port commissioners said they first heard about a threatened lawsuit Thursday.

"From what we were made to understand, if we didn't accede to the group's demands," they would file a lawsuit by the next day, Creighton said. "At the time, it seemed to be a reasonable solution to remove the Christmas trees."

Not only the Port, but local Jewish organizations, felt the consequences of that decision.

Robert Jacobs, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, said about 14 organizations or rabbis had reported receiving hate e-mail. On Monday, his organization was advising local Jewish institutions that have received significant numbers of hate e-mails to consider having security during Hannukah and other holiday season events.

This is not the first public clash over the traditional symbols of Christmas.

For years, judges ? including those of the U.S. Supreme Court ? have been sorting out disputes over how nativity scenes and Christmas trees can be displayed in the lobbies of public buildings, in downtown plazas and in parks.

The furor has been building for years. Last month, the Alliance Defense Fund, a religion-based legal aid group in Arizona, announced it had lined up an army of attorneys who were prepared to defend the tradition of Christmas in schools and on public property.

"Frankly, it's ridiculous that Americans have to think twice about whether it's okay to say 'Merry Christmas,'" the group's president Alan Sears said.

Federal law prohibits government entities from endorsing any religious symbols, proselytizing for religion or preferring any one religion over another, said John Strait, an associate professor of law at Seattle University.

He said the Christmas holiday has become so secular that many symbols associated with it, such as the Christmas tree, have simply become symbols of the holiday. But legal debates rage over just how religious some symbols, such as the nativity scene, actually are. Strait said the menorah has achieved about the same religious status as a nativity scene.

Stewart Jay, a law professor at the University of Washington, admits that the rules aren't always so clear. A holiday display, he said, is allowed as long as it mixes several holiday symbols and traditions.

The Port of Seattle, Strait and Jay agree, could have allowed the menorah along with its Christmas tree in such a way that it would not have been an endorsement of religion. "And that would have been the end of it," Strait said.

In fact, the Christmas trees on their own might have been problematic, Jay said. Adding a menorahmight have given the Port some legal cover.

Across Washington, holiday displays and celebrations reflect the diversity of ways public and private bodies have found to recognize the holidays.

Each year ? for many years ? Seattle City Hall has featured a Christmas tree, menorah and Kwanzaa display, the mayor's spokeswoman, Marianne Bichsel said. "We want to make sure that however people choose to celebrate this time of year, that it is honored," she said.

In many school districts across the state, including Seattle and Bellevue, any holiday program or decorations must be tied to curriculum, officials there said.

The city of Redmond celebrates the season with displays of evergreen branches with white lights, poinsettias and wreathes inside City Hall. Outside, an evergreen tree, part of the city's landscaping, is decorated with multi-colored lights.

King County opts for "giving trees" in the lobby of the court house and the county administrative building. The trees include the names and gift wishes of people in need during the holiday, spokeswoman Carolyn Dunkin said.

Last year, a Catholic lawmaker from Spokane and his supporters stirred up a hornets' nest when they sang Christmas carols in front of the giant holiday tree that dominates the Capitol rotunda in Olympia. Rep. John Ahern, a Republican, said the Washington-grown fir is a holiday tree, not a Christmas tree.

Next week, following a lighting ceremony, a menorah will accompany that tree in the rotunda, said Steve Valandra spokesman for department of general administration, which oversees the capitol grounds
 

uberman

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Originally posted by: Aflac
It had to happen to someone, somewhere.

I think it's a little funny because Washington is the Evergreen State. What no Christmas Trees?

 

preslove

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What's wrong with adding a menorah and whatever the hell muslims put up for ramadan(only if muslim groups complain)? Sh!t, if you add a menorah then you can legally add a manger scene.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: uberman
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The Associated PressPublished: December 10, 2006

SEATAC, Washington: All nine Christmas trees have been removed from the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport instead of adding a giant Jewish menorah to the holiday display as a rabbi had requested.

Maintenance workers boxed up the trees during the graveyard shift early Saturday, when airport bosses believed few people would notice.

"We decided to take the trees down because we didn't want to be exclusive," said airport spokeswoman Terri-Ann Betancourt. "We're trying to be thoughtful and respectful, and will review policies after the first of the year."

Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, who made his request weeks ago, said he was appalled by the decision. He had hired a lawyer and threatened to sue if the Port of Seattle did not add the menorah next to the trees, which had been festooned with red ribbons and bows.

After consulting with lawyers, port staff believed that adding the menorah would have required adding symbols for other religions and cultures in the Northwest. The holidays are the busiest season at the airport and the staff did not have time to play cultural anthropologists, she said.

Hanukkah begins this Friday at sundown.

"They've darkened the hall instead of turning the lights up," said his lawyer, Harvey Grad. "There is a concern here that the Jewish community will be portrayed as the Grinch."

Great job, Rabbi. I'm sure you've really improved the image people have of Jews. People like him give them the stereotype of being litigious misers who ruin it for everyone else.
 

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if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.

I think it should be proportionate to the population.

If I moved to Israel, should I demand that my religion be prominently displayed on equal standing with their religion? I'd be a small minority, and the request should be treated as such.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.

That's how the courts see it, too. IMO a public place should include whatever symbols are requested by a somewhat significant minority (say 5% of the population) as long as it isn't really offensive (santaria?). Just put up a freaking menorah, for god's sake.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.

That's how the courts see it, too. IMO a public place should include whatever symbols are requested by a somewhat significant minority (say 5% of the population) as long as it isn't really offensive (santaria?). Just put up a freaking menorah, for god's sake.

Christmas has become such a secular holiday, and the tree itself such a secular symbol, that it should've been a none issue.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.

That's how the courts see it, too. IMO a public place should include whatever symbols are requested by a somewhat significant minority (say 5% of the population) as long as it isn't really offensive (santaria?). Just put up a freaking menorah, for god's sake.

Jews make up less than 5% of the population. So no Menorah according to your law.

 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if the area is deemed public, then i fully agree with it being taken down ( or put up something for everyone who asks ). Otherwise, if it was a privately owned place, then I don't think they should have caved in.

I think it should be proportionate to the population.

If I moved to Israel, should I demand that my religion be prominently displayed on equal standing with their religion? I'd be a small minority, and the request should be treated as such.

QFFT

If I go to a predominantly jewish community, I dont friggin complain tthat they have too many jewish decorations..

Live with it!
 

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I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.
 

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.

I agree that trees are secular, but CHRISTmas trees are not.


 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.

I agree that trees are secular, but CHRISTmas trees are not.

These trees had red ribbons and bows on them. It's not like there was an Angel on top and a nativity scene at the base.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.

I agree that trees are secular, but CHRISTmas trees are not.

Yes, they can be. I don't celebrate a religious aspect of Christmas, but the family togetherness, gifts, etc. If it had ornaments of Jesus and stuff, then I would not be for it.

The Supreme Court also upheld a decision that Christmas serves a valid secular purpose.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.

I agree that trees are secular, but CHRISTmas trees are not.

These trees had red ribbons and bows on them. It's not like there was an Angel on top and a nativity scene at the base.

Oh ok.

That Rabbi needs to stop complaining. In fact, I bet that a lot of Jewish people wish that he hadn't done this, as he sure seems like the Grinch Who Stole Christmas from the Seattle Airport.
 

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that Christmas trees are ok, but would oppose a Menorah. Christmas trees can be a secular object.

I agree that trees are secular, but CHRISTmas trees are not.

These trees had red ribbons and bows on them. It's not like there was an Angel on top and a nativity scene at the base.

I wish the airport had a spine and told the Rabbi to bring the law suit on. Im tired of people crumbling when somebody who is "offended" threatens a law suit.
 

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The good old US of A is supposed to be based on a freedom OF religion, not the freedom FROM religion.




 

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Uhm...I hope the Rabbi knows that Christmas trees have absolutely nothing to do with religion in any way...
 

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I just saw this on the local news (in Austin), they referred to him as the Grinch who stole Christmas. If you don't like it here then go back to Isreal.

Besides it was just trees
 

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What a freaking idiot. Any then Jews wonder why people have a problem with the Jews...

A menorah is an obvious JEWISH holiday item.

Xmas trees are not religious, nor does only one type of race/people celebrate Xmas. I am 100% Indian and Hindu, and i have a 8.5ft tree decorated to the max in my living room. You wont find any fvcking menorahs here though.