Seattle Times Editorial Board causes Drug Czar to flip out

TechBoyJK

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The Washington Legislature should legalize marijuana

Time for the Washington state Legislature to legalize marijuana, writes The Seattle Times editorial board. The push to repeal the federal prohibition should come from the states, starting with Washington.

MARIJUANA should be legalized, regulated and taxed. The push to repeal federal prohibition should come from the states, and it should begin with the state of Washington.

In 1998, Washington was one of the earliest to vote for medical marijuana. It was a leap of faith, and the right decision. In 2003, Seattle was one of the first places in America to vote to make simple marijuana possession the lowest police priority. That, too, was a leap of faith, and the right decision. A year ago, City Attorney Pete Holmes stopped all prosecutions for simple possession: the right decision.

It is time for the next step. It is a leap, yes — but not such a big one, now.

Still, it is not an easy decision. We have known children who changed from brilliant students to slackers by smoking marijuana at a young age. We have also known of many users who have gone on to have responsible and successful lives. One of them is president of the United States.

Like alcohol, most people can handle marijuana. Some can't.

There is a deep urge among parents to say: "No. Don't allow it. We don't want it." We understand the feeling. We have felt it ourselves. Certainly the life of a parent would be easier if everyone had no choice but to be straight and sober all the time. But an intoxicant-free world is not the one we have, nor is it the one most adults want.

Marijuana is available now. If your child doesn't smoke it, maybe it is because your parenting works. But prohibition has not worked.

It might work in North Korea. But in America, prohibition is the pursuit of the impossible. It does impose huge costs. There has been:

• A cost to the people arrested and stigmatized as criminals, particularly to students who lose university scholarships because of a single conviction;

• A cost in wasted police time, wasted court time and wasted public resources in the building of jails and prisons;

• A cost in disrespect for the law and, in some U.S. cities, the corruption of police departments;

• A cost in lost civil liberties and lost privacy by such measures as the tapping of private telephones and invasion of private homes;

• A cost in the encouragement of criminal lifestyle among youth, and the consequent rise in theft, assault, intimidation, injury and murder, including multinational criminal gangs; and

• A cost in tax revenues lost by federal, state and local governments — revenues that for this state might be on the order of $300 million a year.

Some drugs have such horrible effects on the human body that the costs of prohibition may be worth it. Not marijuana. This state's experience with medical marijuana and Seattle's tolerance policy suggest that with cannabis, legalization will work — and surprisingly well.

Not only will it work, but it is coming. You can feel it.

One sign: On Feb. 8, a committee of the state House of Representatives in Olympia held a public hearing on House Bill 1550. The bill would legalize marijuana and sell it through the state liquor stores to customers over 21 who consume it in private.

The big issue at the hearing was the bill's conflict with federal law: the prospect of Washington legalizing marijuana in defiance of federal authority. What would that mean?

There would be a legal and political fight. In our view, such a fight is bound to happen. Some state is going to start it. It might have been California, but the Golden State turned down a marijuana-legalization initiative Nov. 2, voting only 46 percent for it.

Sometimes Washington is ahead of California. This state's voters were the first to approve gay civil unions, in 2009. California's voters didn't. Ours did.

Pass HB 1550. Legalize cannabis, regulate it, tax it. It is radical, yet commonsensical.

"It has taken me a long time to get to this position," said HB 1550's sponsor, Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, D-Seattle.

It took us a long time also. The people of Washington may already be there, and if not, they are close.

Here's a link to the Norml.com article explaining what happened next.

http://blog.norml.org/2011/02/28/legitimate-debate-not-if-the-drug-czar-has-his-way/

I'd quote it but there are already two many embedded quotes in the article.. might make it confusing.

Personally, I think this is awesome. Drug Czar's home town, including the city prosecutor, newspaper, and police chief all completely contradict the Drug Czar and he DOES NOT LIKE.

This is exactly what needs to happen. This is an in your face retort to the BS he's been spewing. Apparently, this bill is having a significantly better showing than Prop 19 in California did.
 

Druidx

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Only thing dumber than the war on terror is the war on drugs.
 

matt0611

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We can't rely on the federal government to uphold anything in the constitution.

We in the states need to start fighting back against it. Weather its drug laws, health care, etc

The feds have just gone totally out of control.
 

ichy

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Anyone who accepts the post of "Drug Czar" is already completely morally bankrupt.
 

bamacre

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Sates rights ----> slavery

They should send in the feds with guns and make sure federal law is respected.
 

Fear No Evil

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Don't get between the potheads and their weed! My god people, do you live just to smoke? Perhaps a drum circle will help?
 

Anubis

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Its a good editorial. and Legalizing it and taxing it is a win win for everyone. not really sure why people argue against that. Hell Portugal legalized EVERYTHING a few years ago and they seem to be doing just fine
 

child of wonder

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Good. Hopefully this will spurn a large, national debate.

Making marijuana legal and taxing it will not only save the government billions, but will also keep more American dollars in America rather than going to international drug gangs.
 

WHAMPOM

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The demonization of hemp by a newspaper and paper mill mogol (Hearst) just to remove hemp paper (a cheap and easy process) from competition.
 

EagleKeeper

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A cost to the people arrested and stigmatized as criminals, particularly to students who lose university scholarships because of a single conviction;
The students know it is against the law.
they gambled and lost. Life is not fair and paved of gold.

A cost in tax revenues lost by federal, state and local governments &#8212; revenues that for this state might be on the order of $300 million a year.
It is a weed. when it can be grown anywhere; how will the gov control it for taxation?
 

Anubis

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It is a weed. when it can be grown anywhere; how will the gov control it for taxation?

because people will go for convenience. if they sell it at stores like tobacco products, people will go there to get it. a small &#37; will grow their own but the vast majority is too lazy for that.

You can legally grow and smoke your own tobacco, but most don't cause its a PITA
 
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mcmilljb

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Sates rights ----> slavery

They should send in the feds with guns and make sure federal law is respected.

The Constitution says States have rights superseding the federal government's regulation. Why do you hate the Constitution with your ignorant statements?
 

TechBoyJK

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It is a weed. when it can be grown anywhere; how will the gov control it for taxation?

hey I want some pot. Tonight. Don't have any. Here, i'll plant some seeds... somewhere in my apartment.. with no light.

Same argument could be made for anything that grows. OMG, you can grow tomatoes. how will the government tax them?
 

Blackjack200

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Don't get between the potheads and their weed! My god people, do you live just to smoke? Perhaps a drum circle will help?

I wouldn't expect you to understand. On the other hand, I bet if they banned ball gags and giant butt plugs you'd be up in arms.

The students know it is against the law.
they gambled and lost. Life is not fair and paved of gold.

Nice attitude.
 

EagleKeeper

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The students know it is against the law.
they gambled and lost. Life is not fair and paved of gold.

Nice attitude.

Life is full of choices that have to be weighed.

A student is aware of what they are doing and what the consequences of it are.
If they feel that they do not need to worry about the consequences; more the power to them.

But they should NOT be coddled for arrogance in thinking that they are above the law.
 

Nemesis 1

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Well you people have the internet your Amerians. Walk like an Egyptian . Its time to do house cleaning.
 
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TechBoyJK

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Life is full of choices that have to be weighed.

A student is aware of what they are doing and what the consequences of it are.
If they feel that they do not need to worry about the consequences; more the power to them.

But they should NOT be coddled for arrogance in thinking that they are above the law.

True. But pot has infiltrated the 'youth' scene to a degree that peer pressure plays a huge role. I think their point is that the laws are so harsh and the crime so petty that for many young people, the severity of the penalties don't even cross their mind.

Kind of like the struggling house wife who decides to sell dimebags to her friends, gets caught, and has to do 15 years in prison. Most people don't think pot is all that bad, so how much trouble you can get it doesn't really stick.
 

Ns1

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"Like alcohol, most people can handle marijuana. Some can't.

There is a deep urge among parents to say: "No. Don't allow it. We don't want it." We understand the feeling. We have felt it ourselves. Certainly the life of a parent would be easier if everyone had no choice but to be straight and sober all the time. But an intoxicant-free world is not the one we have, nor is it the one most adults want.

Marijuana is available now. If your child doesn't smoke it, maybe it is because your parenting works. But prohibition has not worked."

absolute truth.
 

PokerGuy

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Lots of the same lame arguments made by people for years. They're just dopehead losers who don't want to face the consequences of their stupidity.
 

crownjules

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Lots of the same lame arguments made by people for years. They're just dopehead losers who don't want to face the consequences of their stupidity.

I think more people would argue it's mostly the government and people supporting the WoD that are stupid. After all, they're the ones who have failed to make progress over the last 30 years.