Seattle Public School System's Definitions of Racism

[AliasX]

Well, according to that you can only be white if you are racist, and if you are white, chances are you are racist. No, minorities cannot be racist... that is impossible.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: gardener

Originally posted by: Vic
There is a reason why anyone who can afford to in Seattle does not put their child through the public schools. Seattle has one of the lowest per capita public school enrollment rates in the country, and one of the highest per capita private school enrollment rates.

There are some very good public schools here, Seattle has a very motivated group of parents. Frankly I'm suprised at how many professionals send their kids to public schools in Seattle. Garfield, Franklin, Roosevelt, Nathan Hale, and Ballard are all good highschools. Cleveland and Rainer Beach have problems, but they also serve predominately poor neighborhoods. So I'd grade the highschools a "B" overall.

On the other hand, the primary and middle schools are nearly all good. Most of them are neighborhood schools. Again, the activist nature of Seatte parents comes into play.

Vic's assertion that "anyone who can afford to in Seattle does not put their child through the public schools" is a load of crap. The opposite is true, this is one of the rare cities where there are rich people who don't exclusively use private schools.

My complaints target the central adminstration, I'd like to see them all fired for financial malefeasance. Pulling this policy piece out of some rightwing bung is unworthy of debate.

I see you have failed to address the issue regarding the fact that the Seattle school district has posted this outrageous filth on their web site.

 

[imported_gardener]

So is your issue that you don't believe that racism exists, or do you want whites included as a protected class?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: gardener
So is your issue that you don't believe that racism exists, or do you want whites included as a protected class?

My issue is that they have defined racism to be only applicable to whites, includes advocation (what they call emphasis) of individualism and 'future time preference,' and to top it off they have stated that their policy is that of reverse discrimination(shutting white kids out of certain school programs).

Furthermore, what is this B.S. about 'protected classes?' Please explain why any class should be 'protected' more than any other class.

 

[fitzov]

Blech. That's disgusting. Simply wrong. Minorities can be just as rasist as white cracker folk.

 

[Meuge]

That's a pretty disgusting definition, right there... certainly written by a racist, with full intent to persecute people whose skin color is too white.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: gardener
So is your issue that you don't believe that racism exists, or do you want whites included as a protected class?

My issue is that they have defined racism to be only applicable to whites, includes advocation (what they call emphasis) of individualism and 'future time preference,' and to top it off they have stated that their policy is that of reverse discrimination(shutting white kids out of certain school programs).

Furthermore, what is this B.S. about 'protected classes?' Please explain why any class should be 'protected' more than any other class.

I would go so far as to email the SSD and ask for a plain-english explanation of the definition and how the school district came to that conclusion.

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: gardener
So is your issue that you don't believe that racism exists, or do you want whites included as a protected class?

My issue is that they have defined racism to be only applicable to whites, includes advocation (what they call emphasis) of individualism and 'future time preference,' and to top it off they have stated that their policy is that of reverse discrimination(shutting white kids out of certain school programs).

Furthermore, what is this B.S. about 'protected classes?' Please explain why any class should be 'protected' more than any other class.

Right on the first part, racism can't only be attributed to whites. The rest of the policy piece reads like affirmative action LITE. Meh. I've got no problem with the school system encouraging economically disadvantaged youth to take Advanced Placement classes, Honors Math, Honors History, etc. But I would not want to bump someone out of the class based on race.

And no one is getting bumped out of classes based on race...its not a matter of limited seats.

Seattle has cultivated its honors and AP programs precisely to encourage upper income whites to keep their kids in the public highschools. These programs are 95% populated by white and Asian-American students. Does that make the programs racist? No, because no one is being excluded. And if they want to encourage poor underachieving kids to take the classes and go to college...so they don't vandalize my house, my trucks, or my company property, thats fine with me.

 

[piasabird]

In many places in the south west, it is Mexican Americans that are the majority.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: gardener

Right on the first part, racism can't only be attributed to whites. The rest of the policy piece reads like affirmative action LITE.

Bullsh!t. This is the Communist Manifesto being repackaged as 'anti-racism.'

Meh. I've got no problem with the school system encouraging economically disadvantaged youth to take Advanced Placement classes, Honors Math, Honors History, etc. But I would not want to bump someone out of the class based on race.

And no one is getting bumped out of classes based on race...its not a matter of limited seats.

Seattle has cultivated its honors and AP programs precisely to encourage upper income whites to keep their kids in the public highschools. These programs are 95% populated by white and Asian-American students. Does that make the programs racist? No, because no one is being excluded. And if they want to encourage poor underachieving kids to take the classes and go to college...so they don't vandalize my house, my trucks, or my company property, thats fine with me.

Apparently, you didn't read this part:

Equity
"?. deals with difference and takes into consideration the fact that this society has many groups in it who have not always been given equal treatment and/or have not had a level field on which to play. These groups have been frequently made to feel inferior to those in the mainstream and some have been oppressed. To achieve equity, according to Young (1990), "Social policy should sometimes accord special treatment to groups" (p. 158). Thus, the concept of equity provides a case for unequal treatment for those who have been disadvantaged over time. It can provide compensatory kinds of treatment, offering it in the form of special programs and benefits for those who have been discriminated against and are in need of opportunity."

 

[fitzov]

Bullsh!t. This is the Communist Manifesto being repackaged as 'anti-racism.'

I guess you've never read the Manifesto--in it, Marx and Engels called for the "workers of the world" to rise up, revolt, and take factories from their owners.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Bullsh!t. This is the Communist Manifesto being repackaged as 'anti-racism.'

I guess you've never read the Manifesto--in it, Marx and Engels called for the "workers of the world" to rise up, revolt, and take factories from their owners.

Change 'workers of the world to 'oppressed minorities' and 'owners' to 'the white man.'

 

[Triumph]

Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

NDLB

No Discrimination Left Behind

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: fitzov

Bullsh!t. This is the Communist Manifesto being repackaged as 'anti-racism.'

I guess you've never read the Manifesto--in it, Marx and Engels called for the "workers of the world" to rise up, revolt, and take factories from their owners.

Change 'workers of the world to 'oppressed minorities' and 'owners' to 'the white man.'

...and you have a completely senseless document. The rest of the manifesto wouldn't even make any sense. Besides, you're confusing a class issue based on economic differences with a race issue based on politics.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

I still believe in a strong federal govt., though. Otherwise, you'd have stuff like this all over the place. You'd basically have to move to whichever state suited your interests. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to SCOTUS and gets shot down, but who knows.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

I still believe in a strong federal govt., though. Otherwise, you'd have stuff like this all over the place. You'd basically have to move to whichever state suited your interests. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to SCOTUS and gets shot down, but who knows.

Which is not how it should be? Instead of letting a state govern itself by how the people in that region want to be governed, let the feds control everything so no one is governed how they want to be?

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

I still believe in a strong federal govt., though. Otherwise, you'd have stuff like this all over the place. You'd basically have to move to whichever state suited your interests. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to SCOTUS and gets shot down, but who knows.

Which is not how it should be? Instead of letting a state govern itself by how the people in that region want to be governed, let the feds control everything so no one is governed how they want to be?

We should decide important ethical issues as a society.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

I still believe in a strong federal govt., though. Otherwise, you'd have stuff like this all over the place. You'd basically have to move to whichever state suited your interests. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to SCOTUS and gets shot down, but who knows.

Which is not how it should be? Instead of letting a state govern itself by how the people in that region want to be governed, let the feds control everything so no one is governed how they want to be?

No, because then you'd have a government like the Confederate States of America. The strength of such a federal govt. would be comparable to the UN--simply powerless to do what needs to be done. Better to have a strong federal govt with sufficient separation of powers. Also, there's still much that can be done by the states alone--they only have to be willing to let go of the federal teat once they decide not to comply with mandates.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: Triumph
Wow. I can't (can?) believe that a school system would actually publish those definitions. Sickening. That's why I don't want federal control of the education system. Someone that crazy with ridiculous misconceptions of reality like that, could eventually work their way into a federal education system. And then we're a f&cked, not just the people that live in Seattle.

I still believe in a strong federal govt., though. Otherwise, you'd have stuff like this all over the place. You'd basically have to move to whichever state suited your interests. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to SCOTUS and gets shot down, but who knows.

Which is not how it should be? Instead of letting a state govern itself by how the people in that region want to be governed, let the feds control everything so no one is governed how they want to be?

We should decide important ethical issues as a society.

Well racism is an important ethical issue, and I don't want these people making the decisions for me. States rights FTW. Your Confederate States of America analogy doesn't relate to anything, that confederacy only lasted for ~5 years, all of which was during a state of war.

Our country decided long ago that a balance of powers is the best approach. The Constitutional Congress' fought long and hard over federal vs. states rights, with neither being preferred by all. That is the way it should still be.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
schools are corporate training centers. there is no individualism in a corporation, only a misguided collectivism. you can quit but where else are you going to earn your keep?

That is the sorriest POS attempt to spin this away from the left-wing shame that it is I could have ever imagined.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Well racism is an important ethical issue, and I don't want these people making the decisions for me. States rights FTW. Your Confederate States of America analogy doesn't relate to anything, that confederacy only lasted for ~5 years, all of which was during a state of war.

Our country decided long ago that a balance of powers is the best approach. The Constitutional Congress' fought long and hard over federal vs. states rights, with neither being preferred by all. That is the way it should still be.

I didn't make that analogy. States' rights allow stupidity like the posted page to flourish. Our country decided long ago that racial oppression was the best approach, that Prohibition was the best approach, that the Vietnam war was the best approach, etc. etc. etc. Your model of all-wise government does not exist anywhere in the world, and the only constant is change.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: judasmachine
schools are corporate training centers. there is no individualism in a corporation, only a misguided collectivism. you can quit but where else are you going to earn your keep?

That is the sorriest POS attempt to spin this away from the left-wing shame that it is I could have ever imagined.

qft

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I sent an email to the author of that poorly-written garbage. I'll let you know if she replies.

are you going to make another thread or just post it here?

 

[PingSpike]

We should emphasize collectivism...I mean it worked for the lemmings right?

I particularly like the racism definition that says that only whites can be racist.

Is this shens...because I'm not even sure I'm jaded enough to believe that there are actually people this stupid. Oh who am I kidding? Of course there are.