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Sean Bell shooting: 216 arrested after protesters block traffic

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NYTimes article: 216 Held in Protests of Police Acquittals
NYTimes City Room blog post: Bell Protesters Block Traffic Across City
The Rev. Al Sharpton, who coordinated the protests, was among more than 200 people who were arrested by the police ? nearly all of them in an orderly fashion ? for blocking traffic.
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Update: not guilty on all counts.

Text of verdict: PDF (3 typed pages, please read)
NYTimes article: 3 Detectives Acquitted in Bell Shooting
NYTimes City Room blog post: Verdict: Detectives Not Guilty in Sean Bell?s Death (very large, many reader comments)

P&N thread: Three NYPD officers have been acquitted of all charges in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed man on his wedding day.


The judge will be handing down his verdict tomorrow (Friday, April 25).

NYTimes City Room blog, good info with links to full NYTimes articles.

Old threads:
P&N: Police kill wedding groom
OT: NYPD Officers Surrender in Groom's Death
 
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
All acquitted...
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and you expected anything else?

anymore no matter how much evidance there is i always think the cops are going to get off.

when you have a cop telling a person to get up and when they do shoots them and gets away withit? yeah something is wrong.
 
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and our hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
 
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and out hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
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While I agree with your observation, OJ had a really long trial too 🙂
 
according to AP, the officers had their case decided by a judge and not a jury, can they even do that?
 
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and our hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
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Lemme tell you something, I don't give a fuck what kind of evidence, how many years a judge has been a judge and the # of lawyers working the trial. When you shoot a man 50+ fucking times - SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Cops are trained with weapons to be accurate, so when taking down ONE human being, whether deadly force IS or isn't necessary, I think that 1-4 shots will suffice.

Michael Oliver, who fired 31 times
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Since when did it take 31 bullets to stop a man? Let me know what he's eating.
 
Originally posted by: OS
according to AP, the officers had their case decided by a judge and not a jury, can they even do that?
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Yes, we're in a fascist country in case you've been hiding under a rock after 9/11.
 
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and our hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
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Lemme tell you something, I don't give a fuck what kind of evidence, how many years a judge has been a judge and the # of lawyers working the trial. When you shoot a man 50+ fucking times - SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Cops are trained with weapons to be accurate, so when taking down ONE human being, whether deadly force IS or isn't necessary, I think that 1-4 shots will suffice.
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actually i don't care about the 50 shots. while bad its not suprising. there is a reason why in war they use weapons that throw lots of bullets. in a time when you fear for your life you are not as accurate as usual.

I DO have a problem with the fact they claim he had a weapon and decided to shoot before they found out.

far to many times a cop shoots/beats up or such and gets away with it.
 
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: OS
according to AP, the officers had their case decided by a judge and not a jury, can they even do that?
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Yes, we're in a fascist country in case you've been hiding under a rock after 9/11.
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"The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury."
 
Originally posted by: OS
according to AP, the officers had their case decided by a judge and not a jury, can they even do that?
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People in the US have a right to trail by Jury. they can use that right or not. In this case a Judge would look at the evidance and rule on that. A jury might vote based on opinion, race, etc...

In this case a judge ruling was the best thing for those on trial, if they were not guility and had good legal evidance to support it.
 
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and our hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
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Lemme tell you something, I don't give a fuck what kind of evidence, how many years a judge has been a judge and the # of lawyers working the trial. When you shoot a man 50+ fucking times - SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Cops are trained with weapons to be accurate, so when taking down ONE human being, whether deadly force IS or isn't necessary, I think that 1-4 shots will suffice.

Michael Oliver, who fired 31 times
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Since when did it take 31 bullets to stop a man? Let me know what he's eating.
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I think a lot of the outrageous amount of bullets flying at the scenes of shootings has to do with the change over to high capacity semi auto pistols that the cops are carrying and the situation. In the heat of the moment (even cops) if you feel your life is in danger (or fellow officers) you are probably going to empty the gun.

Also I am not sure about you but I know lots of cops and they are horribly shots😀 add in a little adrenaline and fear (plus high cap gun) and the bullets will fly.

I will not begin to judge someone on there actions in a situation that I've never experienced. Does this mean they should be let off? NO

just my thoughts

fish
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
1 dude shot 31 times, 😵, that like 2 full clips
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"Oliver responded by emptying his semiautomatic pistol, reloading, and emptying it again, as the supervisor sought cover."
 
Here's the basic story from Yahoo! News if anyone doesn't know:

"...."It happened so quick," Isnora said in his grand jury testimony. "It was like the last thing I ever wanted to do."

Bell's companions ? Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman ? also offered dramatic testimony about the episode. Benefield and Guzman were both wounded; Guzman still has four bullets lodged in his body.

Referring to Isnora, Guzman said, "This dude is shooting like he's crazy, like he's out of his mind."

The victims and shooters were set on a fateful collision course by a pair of innocuous decisions: Bell's to have a last-minute bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, and the undercover detectives' to investigate reports of prostitution at the club.

As the club closed around 4 a.m., Sanchez and Isnora claimed they overheard Bell and his friends first flirt with women, then taunt a stranger who responded by putting his right hand in his pocket as if he had a gun. Guzman, they testified, said, "Yo, go get my gun" ? something Bell's friends denied.

Isnora said he decided to arm himself, call for backup ? "It's getting hot," he told his supervisor ? and tail Bell, Guzman and Benefield as they went around the corner and got into Bell's car. He claimed that after warning the men to halt, Bell pulled away, bumped him and rammed an unmarked police van that converged on the scene with Oliver at the wheel.

The detective also alleged that Guzman made a sudden move as if he were reaching for a gun.

"I yelled 'Gun!' and fired," he said. "In my mind, I knew (Guzman) had a gun."

Benefield and Guzman testified that there were no orders. Instead, Guzman said, Isnora "appeared out of nowhere" with a gun drawn and shot him in the shoulder ? the first of 16 shots to enter his body.

"That's all there was ? gunfire," he said. "There wasn't nothing else."

With tires screeching, glass breaking and bullets flying, the officers claimed that they believed they were the ones under fire. Oliver responded by emptying his semiautomatic pistol, reloading, and emptying it again, as the supervisor sought cover.

The truth emerged when the smoke cleared: There was no weapon inside Bell's blood-splattered car."
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Well he didn't. And, as I believed when an officer thinks a suspect is reaching for a gun aren't they supposed to say "HALT! STOP!" or something and if he/she continues to reach for whatever it may be then you may use force? Not just say "GUN!" and shoot like a madman? In that case, everytime someone gets pulled over and reaches for their insurance/registration they are liable to get shot?
 
Originally posted by: mikej007
I havent heard the good ol' Reverend Al weigh in with his 2 cents much on this one...
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"The mood surrounding this case has been muted by comparison, although Bell's fiancee, parents and their supporters, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, have held rallies "
 
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: OS
according to AP, the officers had their case decided by a judge and not a jury, can they even do that?
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Yes, we're in a fascist country in case you've been hiding under a rock after 9/11.
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IIRC the defendants (the cops in this case) get the choice. Hardly a fascist concept. Knowing the automatic public outrage always involved with shootings, I would have probably picked a trial by judge too.
 
Originally posted by: Josh

"The mood surrounding this case has been muted by comparison, although Bell's fiancee, parents and their supporters, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, have held rallies "
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Yes, i read that, but you havent heard him screaming at his usual level. Usually you hear about/see Rev. Al more than the victim.
 
Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Wow. I'm sure that ATOT and our hate the cops attitude is more than ample evidence that the cops are guilty after a incredibly long trial with seasoned Judges, Lawyers, and mounds of evidence on both sides.
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Lemme tell you something, I don't give a fuck what kind of evidence, how many years a judge has been a judge and the # of lawyers working the trial. When you shoot a man 50+ fucking times - SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Cops are trained with weapons to be accurate, so when taking down ONE human being, whether deadly force IS or isn't necessary, I think that 1-4 shots will suffice.

Michael Oliver, who fired 31 times
Click to expand...

Since when did it take 31 bullets to stop a man? Let me know what he's eating.
Click to expand...

I think a lot of the outrageous amount of bullets flying at the scenes of shootings has to do with the change over to high capacity semi auto pistols that the cops are carrying and the situation. In the heat of the moment (even cops) if you feel your life is in danger (or fellow officers) you are probably going to empty the gun.

Also I am not sure about you but I know lots of cops and they are horribly shots😀 add in a little adrenaline and fear (plus high cap gun) and the bullets will fly.

I will not begin to judge someone on there actions in a situation that I've never experienced. Does this mean they should be let off? NO

just my thoughts

fish
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What he said.

If you fear for your life, your going to use your gun. Isn't this what Gun Advocates on this board always say?

I've always wondered.

If trained cops are "unreliable" with a weapon. What makes us so sure than ordinary people won't be like this if we give everyone access to weapons.
 
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