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Seagate 7200.8 16mb SATA drives

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BigHurt

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Anyone have any ideas?
I just built a new system and was debating wd raptors, but I would rather wait for 2 of these...
 
dont get raptors i wanted some to but than i saw some benchmarks on them and really there alot of noise and barely any increase of speed. the new 16mb cache buffer drives are very nice i would recommend getting them maxtor makes them and so will seagate i am not sure when they are supposed to come out.
 
Originally posted by: w00t
dont get raptors i wanted some to but than i saw some benchmarks on them and really there alot of noise and barely any increase of speed. the new 16mb cache buffer drives are very nice i would recommend getting them maxtor makes them and so will seagate i am not sure when they are supposed to come out.
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Barely any increase of speed? Everyone who's had them has been raving about just how fast they are. I think you're probably the first person to say that they're not that fast. I don't own a raptor myself but I am thinking of getting one and I'd really like to hear your take on this.
 
My raptors are a bit faster in startup and loading programs, but other than that they don't make that much differance, and don't think they are really worth the price for a normal desktop. 16mb cache SATA drives would be better in my opinion, since they will be about as fast, and you get more storage space for the price.
 
Go SCSI!

I can take a 100MB HD Video, put it on my Maxtor 7200RPM 16MB drive and have it stutter. When I put it on my 10K SCSI drive, there is considerably less stuttering.
 
why oh why does every single thread i create go flying off topic?

I was asking about a single sata drive and i even listed the model, yet now theres scsi talk etc...
 
Originally posted by: BigHurt
why oh why does every single thread i create go flying off topic?

I was asking about a single sata drive and i even listed the model, yet now theres scsi talk etc...
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Sorry. :beer:

I can't find any info on them. I heard that they were supposed to be released late last year, but now all I can find on google is people asking about where they're at.
 
So i shot off an email to seagate the other day, trying to figure out when these drives are going to be coming out... and heres my response:

From: Disc.PreSales.Email.Support@seagate.com

Hello,

Seagate is planning on offering some 16 MB cache buffer models of SATA
drives, but it may be 2-3 months before we see them, and they may only
offer them for large orders, like OEM manufacturers would have, not in
distribution, like you would find through resellers or retailers. We
don't know yet. Right now, all of our SATA models would have a 8 MB cache
buffer.

Thad S.
Disc Presales





not exactly what i was looking to hear 🙁
 
That just means it will be a longer wait. You could get a raptor for a boot drive and wait for the seagates for a storage drive.
 
Originally posted by: BigHurt
So i shot off an email to seagate the other day, trying to figure out when these drives are going to be coming out... and heres my response:

From: Disc.PreSales.Email.Support@seagate.com

Hello,

Seagate is planning on offering some 16 MB cache buffer models of SATA
drives, but it may be 2-3 months before we see them, and they may only
offer them for large orders, like OEM manufacturers would have, not in
distribution, like you would find through resellers or retailers. We
don't know yet. Right now, all of our SATA models would have a 8 MB cache
buffer.

Thad S.
Disc Presales





not exactly what i was looking to hear 🙁
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damn. I can't wait to get one of these bad boys 😎
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
That just means it will be a longer wait. You could get a raptor for a boot drive and wait for the seagates for a storage drive.
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well sure, but i figured this would outperform the raptor's and quite possibly a less expensive drive.... oh well, might just wait it out a bit.. i just really dont want to purchase a maxtor.
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Haha. Cache will never make a 7200rpm outperfom a 10krpm
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do you not remember when 8mb came out?
raid wd 80gb special editions were outperforming some scsi 10k drives...
rpm isnt the only spec that matters in harddrives
 
if the raptor had a 16mb model, id definitely be interested, but until then, im holding out for a 16mb buffer sata drive (other than maxtor).

 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Haha. Cache will never make a 7200rpm outperfom a 10krpm
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Rotational speed is only one factor that effects drive performance. The only thing that rotational speed directly effects is average drive latency (4.2ms 7.2k vs 3.0ms 10k) which by itself won't drastically affect drive performance. Seek time, areal data density, cache and drive algorithms combined will have a significantly greater affect on drive peformance. Current 7200RPM drive will trash older generation 10k drives for home user performance. It's pure fiction to claim that 10k drives will always outperform 7200RPM. You have to pick drive models and specific usage patterns before any performance based comparison can be made.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Haha. Cache will never make a 7200rpm outperfom a 10krpm
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Rotational speed is only one factor that effects drive performance. The only thing that rotational speed directly effects is average drive latency (4.2ms 7.2k vs 3.0ms 10k) which by itself won't drastically affect drive performance. Seek time, areal data density, cache and drive algorithms combined will have a significantly greater affect on drive peformance. Current 7200RPM drive will trash older generation 10k drives for home user performance. It's pure fiction to claim that 10k drives will always outperform 7200RPM. You have to pick drive models and specific usage patterns before any performance based comparison can be made.
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ya, check out the link i sent out, pretty much sums that up...
thx for the backup though 🙂

 
I wouldn't use Anand's storage reviews as proof of anything. They're pretty poor, to put it kindly. Certainly not up to the standards of his MB, CPU, and video card reviews.

The Raptor is still the fastest ATA/SATA drive available. I don't mean to mislead you there, but it can't be blinded stated that a 10k drive is always faster than a 7200RPM drive. Whether or not it's worth the price premium is a different issue. For most people, the answer would be, no, as the new 7200RPM drives have closed the gap and made the difference pretty small.
 
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