Se7en

[cpals]

I just saw the movie Se7en for the first time over the weekend and thought it was awesome. A bit weird, but very good.

I'll try to type this in a way so it doesn't have any spoilers, but I cannot control what others say.

My friend and I had a question about the second to last sin (Envy) and how the person that died for it exhibited signs of envy or how it tied into her.... ? I understood why everyone else died, but why did she die for that sin?

 

[Strk]

He wanted to be him and own everything of his (it also set up wrath, so that he could get all seven) and as a sociopath, he didn't want his tv .

 

[loic2003]

hang on, how does the envy person die? can't remember...

 

[cpals]

***SPOILER***









I thought the cop's wife was the one who died for the sin envy... ?

And then when her head is shipped in the box to the detective, he finishes out the last sin (wrath).

 

[datalink7]

I though he (Kevin Spacy) died for envy because he envied Brad Pitts life. It was his only sin. He made himself die by causing Brad Pitt to commit the sin of Wrath.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: datalink7
I though he (Kevin Spacy) died for envy because he envied Brad Pitts life. It was his only sin. He made himself die by causing Brad Pitt to commit the sin of Wrath.

So the wife's death wasn't part of the seven sins?

 

[skace]

Wife's death was collateral damage. Data is right, the bad guy was envy. Which is why he had to be killed, to be punished for his sin.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: skace
Wife's death was collateral damage. Data is right, the bad guy was envy. Which is why he had to be killed, to be punished for his sin.

So shouldn't the detective die for having the sin of wrath?

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: cpals
I just saw the movie Se7en for the first time over the weekend and thought it was awesome. A bit weird, but very good.

I'll try to type this in a way so it doesn't have any spoilers, but I cannot control what others say.

My friend and I had a question about the second to last sin (Envy) and how the person that died for it exhibited signs of envy or how it tied into her.... ? I understood why everyone else died, but why did she die for that sin?

Envy was the serial killer's sin. That's the only part of the movie that seemed kinda random to me. Nowhere earlier in the movie forshadowed that the serial killer had a sin of envy (much less envying Brad Pitt). It was just included at the end so that Brad Pitt could commit the sin of Wrath.

Gwyneth Paltrow did not have a sin.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: cpals

Originally posted by: skace
Wife's death was collateral damage. Data is right, the bad guy was envy. Which is why he had to be killed, to be punished for his sin.

So shouldn't the detective die for having the sin of wrath?

No, punishment for a sin need not be death. The detective's punishment was commiting murder, and thus destroying his life.

 

[Beige]

To me it is like this.
Envy brought up the whole concept about: If I can't have her nobody can so that is one purpose of her death and the other purpose was to bring up wrath inside the cop/detective or w/e he was.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: cpals

Originally posted by: skace
Wife's death was collateral damage. Data is right, the bad guy was envy. Which is why he had to be killed, to be punished for his sin.

So shouldn't the detective die for having the sin of wrath?

No, punishment for a sin need not be death. The detective's punishment was commiting murder, and thus destroying his life.

We don't find out what happened to Brad Pitt's character. A lawyer prosecuting him could possibly get either life imprisonment or the death penalty, since it was not self-defense. It was pure murder (even if he did it to get revenge for his wife's murder, he shot an unarmed man, when they would have had his confession to all of the murders).

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: cpals

Originally posted by: skace
Wife's death was collateral damage. Data is right, the bad guy was envy. Which is why he had to be killed, to be punished for his sin.

So shouldn't the detective die for having the sin of wrath?

No, punishment for a sin need not be death. The detective's punishment was commiting murder, and thus destroying his life.

We don't find out what happened to Brad Pitt's character. A lawyer prosecuting him could possibly get either life imprisonment or the death penalty, since it was not self-defense. It was pure murder (even if he did it to get revenge for his wife's murder, he shot an unarmed man, when they would have had his confession to all of the murders).

Well, earlier in the film, the man whose sin was Lust did not die either.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Well, earlier in the film, the man whose sin was Lust did not die either.

The "sinner" in lust, was the prostitute, and she died a terrible death.

 

[skace]

Apathy wasn't totally dead though, although I think he died right after they found him.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Well, earlier in the film, the man whose sin was Lust did not die either.

The "sinner" in lust, was the prostitute, and she died a terrible death.

I think the john is the more appropriate choice for Lust.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: skace
Apathy wasn't totally dead though, although I think he died right after they found him.

You mean Sloth.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think the john is the more appropriate choice for Lust.

Isn't a john a male hooker? I believe the guy that survived was just a regular guy who wanted to be with a hooker. He wasn't the victim, the girl was. You can rewatch the movie or see if you can find the script because I believe there is some dialogue directed specifically at the girl.

Yea, Sloth, bedridden man.

 

[datalink7]

And pride had the choice to live..

 

[skace]

However, there are no fingerprints, anywhere. Amongst the heap that suggests Jonathan Doe is an obsessive maniac, evidence of possible future victims arises. One of them is a photograph of what seems to be a prostitute. There is also a receipt from a custom fetish shop for an item that winds up being used in the murder of the prostitute, a strap-on dildo with a long serrated blade attached to the shaft. LUST is written on the door outside a murder scene where Doe forced a man at gunpoint to don the appliance and copulate with a bound working girl.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: datalink7
And pride had the choice to live..

But if she had lived it wouldn't have been a sin, choosing to die proved her sin was infact pride. Given her sin, she really never had a choice, just the illusion of one.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: datalink7
And pride had the choice to live..

But if she had lived it wouldn't have been a sin, choosing to die proved her sin was infact pride. Given her sin, she really never had a choice, just the illusion of one.

No, she was prideful before John Doe got to her. That's the reason she had a massive photo of herself over her bed.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
No, she was prideful before John Doe got to her. That's the reason she had a massive photo of herself over her bed.

If she had used the phone and called for help, it would have shown she was stronger than what he gave her credit for. It would have put her above her superficial level. But she didn't, she used the pills.