Screw you eclipse

[Broheim]

you couldn't refactor your way out of a hello world program.




I miss visual studio


/blog atot

 

[Mixolydian]

Did somebody say refractor? :awe:

 

[Leros]

If you're doing Java, Try IntelliJ. It's far superior to Eclipse.

 

[Arcadio]

Nothing compares to VS.

 

[brianmanahan]

holy crap dude

VS sucks compared to eclipse, you have to buy a freakin 50$ resharper plugin to make it even being to compete with eclipse

 

[TecHNooB]

Nothing compares to VS with visual assist.

fixed

 

[Broheim]

holy crap dude

VS sucks compared to eclipse, you have to buy a freakin 50$ resharper plugin to make it even being to compete with eclipse

VS2012 + resharper =

eclipse keeps messing up renames and sometimes just straight up refuses to do shit.

 

[brianmanahan]

VS2012 + resharper = hundreds of dollars

ftfy

how exactly does eclipse mess up renames? never does that for me. alt+shift+r ftw.

 

[Broheim]

If you're doing Java, Try IntelliJ. It's far superior to Eclipse.

I've been meaning to give IntelliJ a try but my school wants me to use eclipse.

they have a history of picking crappy things, like glassfish server (breaks for like no reason at all) and mySQL (selfexplanatory) for instance.

 

[Broheim]

ftfy

how exactly does eclipse mess up renames? never does that for me. alt+shift+r ftw.

the worst thing I've tried was when i renamed a field in one project and it actually managed to also rename a class (that had the same name as the field) in a completely different project, I to this day have no idea why it thought that was a good idea, but I almost threw my laptop at the wall in pure frustration.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

I've been using eclipse for 12 years or so and never had a refactor problem. This leads me to believe you aren't paying attention to what you're actually doing and blaming the IDE.

 

[brianmanahan]

the worst thing I've tried was when i renamed a field in one project and it actually managed to also rename a class (that had the same name as the field) in a completely different project, I to this day have no idea why it thought that was a good idea, but I almost threw my laptop at the wall in pure frustration.

you didnt do a find/replace did you? lol

 

[Broheim]

I've been using eclipse for 12 years or so and never had a refactor problem. This leads me to believe you aren't paying attention to what you're actually doing and blaming the IDE.

right click -> refactor -> rename -> enter new name -> press enter


not a whole lot to keep track of and do wrong.

 

[Broheim]

you didnt do a find/replace did you? lol

nope, was a refactor rename (I didn't notice it at first but I was taking snippets from another class in the project with the renamed class and when I looked at the project explorer I got super confused for a while until i figured out what had happened).

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

Did you preview the refactor first to make sure you didnt accidentally select an unwanted rename option (e.g. Rename in non java files)?

I know the answer to this since it would've showed you what it wanted to rename first and you could've saved yourself some frustration for a 10 second double-check.

On second thought, I take back blaming the user, since I've seen all kinds of software do all kinds of wacky things. Maybe you just got unlucky.

 

[clamum]

I'm using Eclipse for Android development and damn do I miss Visual Studio. The biggest thing I miss is the superior debugging in VS, followed closely by Intellisense.

I've never heard of Intellij, how does that fare for Android work?

 

[SunnyD]

If you haven't been getting Visual Studio for free (and I mean Professional edition, not Express editions, and I mean legit licenses, directly from Microsoft)... you've been doing it wrong. For a long time.

Seriously, they give that shit away.

 

[clamum]

If you haven't been getting Visual Studio for free (and I mean Professional edition, not Express editions, and I mean legit licenses, directly from Microsoft)... you've been doing it wrong. For a long time.

Seriously, they give that shit away.

Orly? I knew about students getting Microsoft stuff for reduced or free, is that what you're talking about? Details!

 

[Leros]

I'm using Eclipse for Android development and damn do I miss Visual Studio. The biggest thing I miss is the superior debugging in VS, followed closely by Intellisense.

I've never heard of Intellij, how does that fare for Android work?

No personal experience. They added Android support a few versions ago. I've heard from two people that's it good.

 

[dighn]

Orly? I knew about students getting Microsoft stuff for reduced or free, is that what you're talking about? Details!

I think they used to give away full versions of their software if you attended their launch events; not sure if they still do that though. My interest is piqued. I could just install a copy from work, but it's not exactly legit to do so afaik.

 

[brianmanahan]

i love how there are like a million vendors in the microsoft dev space each selling tools for like 200$ a pop

i overheard a guy saying at a conference that some VS plugin to autorun unit tests and calculate coverage was the best 200$ he had ever spent... im like, LOL, we have had eclemma for free for almost 10 years! microsoft devs are funny though, most of the ones i talk to instantly equate free open source with crap quality.

now java is definitely long in the tooth, but i have got groovy/scala/clojure/jruby to choose from on the jvm. i would take any of those languages over c#.

 

[brianmanahan]

also cracks me up when people think MVC started with ASP.NET MVC. lol no, i was doing it with apache struts 10 years before ASP.NET MVC came out.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

also cracks me up when people think MVC started with ASP.NET MVC. lol no, i was doing it with apache struts 10 years before ASP.NET MVC came out.

If I remember correctly, smalltalk was the first language to feature a MVC framework back in the 80's. I can't recall when the concept was first introduced, but the point is that its been around a very long time.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

i love how there are like a million vendors in the microsoft dev space each selling tools for like 200$ a pop

i overheard a guy saying at a conference that some VS plugin to autorun unit tests and calculate coverage was the best 200$ he had ever spent... im like, LOL, we have had eclemma for free for almost 10 years! microsoft devs are funny though, most of the ones i talk to instantly equate free open source with crap quality.

now java is definitely long in the tooth, but i have got groovy/scala/clojure/jruby to choose from on the jvm. i would take any of those languages over c#.

The only thing I find VS really useful for is when i have to create MS centric applications or dlls. I use it mostly these days when I have to tie Java code to native code through JNI. For me and my purposes, that's where VS really shines over Eclipse's more generic c/c++ plugin. With that said I often find myself saying "man VS is really lacking in features compared to Eclipse"

 

[ultimatebob]

Wrong forum guys! I wanted to read a post about Eclipse gum, but got this programming stuff instead