Screw the Chinese government!

[Svnla]

This, this and always this. My friends who grew up in HK/Korea/Japan always wonder why we accept China so much. They know of the real danger and laugh at us because we are just empowering them.

Do you know why Asia countries don't trust Chinese government? Just look back at the long history and see how China tried and tried (for thousands of years) to take over Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, Xinjinang, Inner Mongolia, Central Asia. Now they are saying that most of the East Sea (South of China Sea) belongs to them. Can you imagine the US declares that most of Gulf of Mexico belongs to the US or India declares most of Indian Ocean belongs to India.

 

[Karl Agathon]

^^^^Chins is trying to bully its neighbors. Which is why Japan and South Korea should be arming themselves to the teeth. if China increases its belligerence, Japan might not have a choice but to alter its constitution and develop a nuclear deterent to counter Red China.

 

[Schadenfroh]

China is going to have a foreign policy to benefit the Chinese people.

Mainland China's leadership is going to pursue foreign and domestic policies that benefit themselves and secure the communist party's power. Any benefit to the peasants will be from "trickle down" economics.

 

[tk149]

Mainland China's leadership is going to pursue foreign and domestic policies that benefit themselves and secure the communist party's power. Any benefit to the peasants will be from "trickle down" economics.

I think that China's leadership IS trying to improve the lives of their citizens. It is precisely because of the relatively recent attempts to embrace capitalism that the Communist Party's hold is slipping.

Consider this. China's middle class is now about the same size as the entire population of the U.S.

 

[Svnla]

I think that China's leadership IS trying to improve the lives of their citizens. It is precisely because of the relatively recent attempts to embrace capitalism that the Communist Party's hold is slipping.

Consider this. China's middle class is now about the same size as the entire population of the U.S

Same thing can be say about their poor population (at least 300 million and counting).

Source = http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/world/asia/13china.html?_r=1

 

[Ozoned]

Where do these assumptions come from?

The USA has a foreign designed to benefit the USA. ( Even if many people in the USA question if our screwed up foreign policy is working to the benefit of the USA.)

China is going to have a foreign policy to benefit the Chinese people.

Yet somehow, people on this forum somehow think, that China, Iran, Israel, and all other nations should ask, what can they do to benefit the USA?

It ain't ever worked that way in the history of the world, boys and girls, and it never will.

A good philosophical perspective that could be applied to ALL of the generic bitching you do about Israel....

 

[itsmydamnation]

I think that China's leadership IS trying to improve the lives of their citizens. It is precisely because of the relatively recent attempts to embrace capitalism that the Communist Party's hold is slipping.

Consider this. China's middle class is now about the same size as the entire population of the U.S.

whats there actual purching power like? i think this is where all the bobcat APU's will be going(+ india brazil and south east asia), its only a short trip across a ditch as well.

the COP is getting increasing pushed into a wedge, that wedge is information, you cant increase the knowledge and skill of your nation without there being inturn an increased desire for information and freedom. the exact same thing can be seen happening right now in the middle east. COP must be shitting there pants.

 

[BansheeX]

It's basically because Americans are full of self hate, guilt and PCness.
We get told that we have to be nice to the Chinese because they buy our debt. So a lot of people in power look at it as, if we anger them they will cut the purse strings.
What they don't understand is that if we stop paying them back on the debt, it will ruin their economy as it is heavily dependant on us now. We stop paying them back, and stop the importation or start taxing the crap out of their imports they will change their tune.

Until someone in Washington or (Whatever is Canada's capital)is willing to tell someone where to shove something, we are at the mercy of the world.

Dependent on us? They literally loan us money to buy their products. It's pretty much a gift. All they would have to do is spend the money they're now loaning us and they'll get goods instead of the perpetual stream of IOUs they're getting now. The power always lies with the net producer, not the net destroyer.

 

[Engineer]

All we need is a sternly worded speech from the POTUS and that will take care of it. If it really gets out of hand, like people start threatening nukes a such. A stern speech with a good finger wave should do it.

and a new trade agreement so we can buy more of their stuff...I'm sure they will return the favor (as they are now) in kind.

 

[tk149]

Same thing can be say about their poor population (at least 300 million and counting).

Source = http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/world/asia/13china.html?_r=1

My point is that their middle class has grown by a huge amount in the last 20 years. If the government's only concern was to control the masses, they would be more concerned about keeping people poor rather than growing their middle class and risking a revolution.

I'm not saying their leadership is all rainbows and unicorns, but they're not completely oblivious to the welfare of their people either.

 

[Narmer]

My point is that their middle class has grown by a huge amount in the last 20 years. If the government's only concern was to control the masses, they would be more concerned about keeping people poor rather than growing their middle class and risking a revolution.

I'm not saying their leadership is all rainbows and unicorns, but they're not completely oblivious to the welfare of their people either.

That's false. One major reason why their economy has gotten a heavy focus is because of the fall of communism in other parts of the world and their own June 4 experience. Instead of doubling down on oppression, the Communist Party sought to placate the masses via economic advancement. The Communist Party's primary goal is survival. By studying how stagnant other communist parties became with no economic movement, they learned how to keep their reign going. But with more money in the country and new knowledge, there are new problems. Recently, they've turned to nationalism as a short-term answer but that nationalism can easily turn on them.

http://www.amazon.com/Chinas-Communi...8410501&sr=8-1

 

[piasabird]

We just need to make China the Great Satan.

 

[bfdd]

China is in a transitional period and will be for the next 20-30 years as the older generations die off. Mao's communist party no longer exists, the party running China today is barely a shadow of that regime. The younger Chinese are learning more about the world and being exposed to more "free thinking" regardless of what the Chinese government does to block it. If you want my opinion of China, they're taking a very very hard look at the United States and using their current "communist" control to setup measures to insure they don't run into similar problems we have had down the road.

I see China very much becoming a country that respects liberty and freedom in my life time. It may not be pretty for us or anyone until then and I don't believe the ends justify the means, but enemies we are not.

 

[bfdd]

Do you know why Asia countries don't trust Chinese government? Just look back at the long history and see how China tried and tried (for thousands of years) to take over Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, Xinjinang, Inner Mongolia, Central Asia. Now they are saying that most of the East Sea (South of China Sea) belongs to them. Can you imagine the US declares that most of Gulf of Mexico belongs to the US or India declares most of Indian Ocean belongs to India.

This is something China definitely needs to work on. I think it will get better as their relationship with N.Korea continues to deteriorate.

 

[gingermeggs]

Yup, in Asia, they don't really have the left vs. right vs. libertarian economic arguments that we do in the US where we, as a people, are fractured and the corporations and wealthy have all the power. The Asian governments care about pragmatic approaches to problems, which often has government getting involved rather than the free market solving problems by itself (it often can't). Japan, South Korea, China, etc. never believed in free trade in the first place and got out of poverty by having a government industrial policy and heavy tariffs/quotas (or in the case of China, currency manipulation) in order to protect their industries until they were strong enough to compete. Asia does things the smart way, America does things absolutely fucking retarded.

I'm not a fan of China's anti-humanitarian government, but they have a competitive advantage because their government protects and subsidizes it's industries. I was reading a few months back about how Europeans were complaining about China because they were offering risk free (china subsidized) bids on some projects to Eastern Europe and the Europeans couldn't compete with that.

Not retarded, just a kinda modern feudalism, with untitled lords, kings and plenty of queens!!! Oil, mining, chem, pharma and guns!!
The chinese Gov sees the BS western countries governments sprook to it's citizenry about "free markets", then when they try to legally buy a holdings in a oil company or mining company they are blocked politically on BS grounds, which helps to show up those countries up as shamocratic nepots!
Oneday in a land, far far away!
wealth will be more evenly distributed amongst all the people of this world(along with education) and it will be a happier and healthier one to live in- Phase one is a common language English is a terrible name for it but it has become the basis of modern civilization.
The key to all of this is educating the women to stand united against misogynistic male behaviour.
The glass is half full!
The less power the exploitative Americans have the better, as their actions have shown- THEY DON'T HAVE A NOTION OF THE CONCEPT "THE FAIR GO!!"
Justice must seem just!
The Chinese Government has one thing right, it doesn't spend more then it earns and it is far more cost effective governance then any western system currently, given time it will become fairer as its citizens become better educated. AS for being communists, they fail to meet so many Marxists principles that they are really just another dictatorship with a sales pitch of Communism.
Being a believer in a homeostatic planet earth, the environment is going to have the final say on it all, like it or not mankind will be forced to Unite, cut the bullshit and get the fuck real!
Money has been a lose, lose since conception, its a fantasy with no parallels in any universe. I think its a very interesting stage in history currently, unprecedented by history, we have exceeded the carrying capacity of the earth, death is the next big thing, the interesting bit is how it is delivered. Countries like china with a fairly compact gene pool are exposed to threats of gene specific diseases- like rhino cancers exacerbated by benzine based pollutants.
America probably diabetes type 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Massacred by Colonel Sanders and Ronald Mcdonald! lol

 

[Narmer]

what are you going to do about it?

Take their money and not pay it back?

 

[Lithium381]

The chinese can't hear what you're saying because they're censoring you

 

[Schadenfroh]

The "Misguided Patriots" strike again:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/01/us-morganstanley-hacking-idUSTRE7200KY20110301

Morgan Stanley experienced a "very sensitive" break-in to its network by the same China-based hackers who attacked Google Inc's computers more than a year ago