Screw Quad Core! Eight Core anyone? FASN8ING!

[ericlp]

In a demonstration in San Francisco, AMD previewed an eight-core platform, codenamed ?FASN8,? pronounced ?fascinate,? to show the first AMD silicon-based next-generation eight-core platform. The demonstration platform includes two true quad-core AMD Phenom processors, the new DirectX 10 ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, as well as an upcoming AMD next-generation, high-performance chipset, due in the second half of 2007. This platform illustrates AMD?s leadership in developing a single solution with increased levels of integration to boost real-world performance.

It's gonna be an exciting year 07 for CPUs.... I hear these quad core chips will hum along at 45 watts...

Droool!!!!

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I hear these quad core chips will hum along at 45 watts...

yeah, maybe at 1ghz on 0.9V.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Uh, OP, did you know that Apple has had 8-core available on the Mac Pros for a little while now? Not to mention that servers have probably had that capability for a bit longer since that is basically what is happening here (dual socket with 2 quad core CPUs).

Oh, and then there's the fact that it probably will make little difference in performance since very little software really takes advantage of multiple cores, and even then its just now getting to where dual core shows a decent improvement.

Sorry to sound like a smartass, but this really isn't anything special.

We'll see if AMD's new chips can retake or even match the performance crown. Let's hope it doesn't end up like R600 versus G80.

 

[Pwntcomputer]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Uh, OP, did you know that Apple has had 8-core available on the Mac Pros for a little while now? Not to mention that servers have probably had that capability for a bit longer since that is basically what is happening here (dual socket with 2 quad core CPUs).

Oh, and then there's the fact that it probably will make little difference in performance since very little software really takes advantage of multiple cores, and even then its just now getting to where dual core shows a decent improvement.

Sorry to sound like a smartass, but this really isn't anything special.

We'll see if AMD's new chips can retake or even match the performance crown. Let's hope it doesn't end up like R600 versus G80.

The flagship R600 is slower than the 8800GTX and uses more power. At least it came out half a year later.... errrrrrr

Well, Barcelona is 50% faster! In floating point.......maybe, I mean according to AMD. No actual third party test.

Poor AMD, this is just getting sad

 

[aigomorla]

correct me if im wrong, but isnt yorkfield the first 8 core chip.

And im 1000000000000000000000000% sure there are yorkies running around on NDA.

And personally im a fan with AMD. However, i dont think they stand a chance against intels upcoming chips. Also there uber delays arent helping any. So what if they come out with barcelona, and agenda...

Neph, from intel is just a step behind. And i highly doubt amd has a solution to fight intels' neph.

 

[Pwntcomputer]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
correct me if im wrong, but isnt yorkfield the first 8 core chip.

And im 1000000000000000000000000% sure there are yorkies running around on NDA.

And personally im a fan with AMD. However, i dont think they stand a chance against intels upcoming chips. Also there uber delays arent helping any. So what if they come out with barcelona, and agenda...

Neph, from intel is just a step behind. And i highly doubt amd has a solution to fight intels' neph.

I love AMD too, but Chipzilla is going to really beat them up for a long while. At this point, I just doubt AMD can keep up.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
correct me if im wrong, but isnt yorkfield the first 8 core chip.

And im 1000000000000000000000000% sure there are yorkies running around on NDA.

And personally im a fan with AMD. However, i dont think they stand a chance against intels upcoming chips. Also there uber delays arent helping any. So what if they come out with barcelona, and agenda...

Neph, from intel is just a step behind. And i highly doubt amd has a solution to fight intels' neph.

No, we aren't getting a octo-core until Nehalem. Yorkdale is still a quad-core.

 

[ericlp]

Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

I'm no fan of either Intel NOR AMD.

But I am a fan of new technology, If Intel were to Dominate the chip market, then say good buy to competition and pushing the envelope. I mean... Last time Intel took the lead prices were high and tech advances become slow as Intel racked in the cash witch tended to make Intel Lazy.

I say lets liven it up a bit! I'm all for lower prices and more competition!

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

I'm no fan of either Intel NOR AMD.

But I am a fan of new technology, If Intel were to Dominate the chip market, then say good buy to competition and pushing the envelope. I mean... Last time Intel took the lead prices were high and tech advances become slow as Intel racked in the cash witch tended to make Intel Lazy.

I say lets liven it up a bit! I'm all for lower prices and more competition!

The only thing that matters is performance and power, the means by which those are achieved is irrelevant. My computer could be made of hamsters for all I care, as long as performance is up to snuff and power consumption is reasonable

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I mean... Last time Intel took the lead prices were high and tech advances become slow as Intel racked in the cash witch tended to make Intel Lazy.

Hmm, you must not have known a thing about computers a year ago, or you'd know that AMD did the same thing. Or does a $300 X2 3800 sound like a good deal to you?:roll:

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core...

what's that

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

Except it offers true quad-core performance.

It's amazing so many people actually believe AMD's marketing folk about what's "true" and not true.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: JackPack

Except it offers true quad-core performance.

In a single socket, yes. It's been demonstrated already that a dual-processor Clovertown system frequently loses performance contests against quad-processor Opteron (dual core) rigs. There seem to be some cache coherency issues among other problems.

dual-processor K10 systems with 8 cores and faster HT links (HT3.0) should rock the casbah, not that word of octal-core AMD desktops is really news. Word of AgenaFX-equipped QuadFX boards has been out for awhile (though the FASN8 marketroid-speak is new).

Also, why all the hate for the 2900XT? In single-card configurations, it makes no sense, but 2900XTs in Crossfire seemed very competitive with 8800GTX SLI, at least according to Anand anyway.

In theory, K10 QuadFX/FASN8 rigs should be quad-card Crossfire capable using HTX slots instead of PCIe slots for some ridiculous performance and power consumption.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX


Also, why all the hate for the 2900XT? In single-card configurations, it makes no sense, but 2900XTs in Crossfire seemed very competitive with 8800GTX SLI, at least according to Anand anyway.

In theory, K10 QuadFX/FASN8 rigs should be quad-card Crossfire capable using HTX slots instead of PCIe slots for some ridiculous performance and power consumption.

Indeed it will. For the first time the enthusiast is going to have to resort to distro techniques familiar to us in the world of pro audio. Text

That means a 240VAC 20A (or more) circuit in the room with a single PC. At least the manufactures' are (trying) to keep up with the power supplies. Thermaltake 1.5kW and X3 1.6kW on the way. :Q

 

[Borealis7]

dual socket solutions have a lot of pros and cons, for instance:

pros: if one CPU dies, you still have a quadcore to utilize.
cons: twice the power consumption, twice the heat output of a quadcore (need two coolers...)

i would prefer a single socket solution and wait for an octocore processor if i'd ever consider going octo.

for now, my plans are to buy a Q6600 in the summer which i think would love me long time.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

I'm no fan of either Intel NOR AMD.

But I am a fan of new technology, If Intel were to Dominate the chip market, then say good buy to competition and pushing the envelope. I mean... Last time Intel took the lead prices were high and tech advances become slow as Intel racked in the cash witch tended to make Intel Lazy.

I say lets liven it up a bit! I'm all for lower prices and more competition!

Actually the last time Intel took the lead they lowered prices on both sides by a ridiculous amount. When C2D came out I got my 4800 for 320$, it dropped from 850$ in one day. NTM its basically the other way around, when AMD was in the lead with K8 for a long time their prices got ridiculously high.

 

[BadThad]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

I'm no fan of either Intel NOR AMD.

But I am a fan of new technology, If Intel were to Dominate the chip market, then say good buy to competition and pushing the envelope. I mean... Last time Intel took the lead prices were high and tech advances become slow as Intel racked in the cash witch tended to make Intel Lazy.

I say lets liven it up a bit! I'm all for lower prices and more competition!

Oh, so Intel is lying and there's not really 4 cores in the there? LOL

You mean to say it's not in a single die. :roll:

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I'm no fan of either Intel NOR AMD.

Yeah, right...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: JackPack

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core... Do some read up...

Except it offers true quad-core performance.

It's amazing so many people actually believe AMD's marketing folk about what's "true" and not true.

reminds me of Sony babbling about "true HighDefinition".

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: BadThad

Oh, so Intel is lying and there's not really 4 cores in the there? LOL

You mean to say it's not in a single die. :roll:

The QX6700 is basically a pair of E6700's side by side.

 

[lyssword]

when's phenom coming?

 

[bfdd]

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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JackPack
Except it offers true quad-core performance.

It's amazing so many people actually believe AMD's marketing folk about what's "true" and not true.

It doesn't offer true quad performance, though.

Anandtech's own reviews of Clovertown show poor 4--->8 core performance scaling.

It's still a fantastic performer, but Intel's true quads in 2008 should blow Clovertown out of the water (especially in the server arena).

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: ericlp
Intel is not even a true quad core...

what's that

Well the most commonly accepted differentiator between MCM 2^n-core and native 2^n-core is that: the presence or absence of a difference in communication latency between the cores of a single socket versus cores from two different sockets.

 

[imported_SLIM]

Originally posted by: bfdd
You do mean 8800GTS in SLI and not GTX, if you look a SINGLE GTX was holding it's own even betting it in some benchs...

Maybe you should try tech report's review where they actually use VISTA (ie that DX10 OS that DX10 cards are designed for). Last I heard, DX10 for XP may or may not be released. The crossfire 2900's were the fastest (most power hungry, loudest...) setup in almost every benchmark. I'd like to see Anand's take on the top cards under vista, but I guess we'll have to wait a couple days for that.