Scratch Edwards off the VP search list

[JD50]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
but but the topic is stupid.

I agree, just as stupid as the topics that were started about Larry Craig, Mark Foley, etc... But the Dems that are now defending Edwards, were taking plenty of shots at Craig and Foley.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We should stop to ask, how many people did John Edward get killed by his mis judgments with Reilly Hunter? How much money has John Edwards taken out of my pocket? And since I did not vote for John Edwards in the primaries, how am I shamed?

I guess therein lies the difference. Some of us, including me, apply significantly more weighting to transgressions that harm and break up families, since IMO that is at the heart of much of what is wrong with our culture today. A certain selfishness born in part by the impact of broken families over time.

Bush & co may have fvcked up a lot of stuff, but I never once ever doubted their committments to their families. Bad policies, bad decisions, pale in comparison to bad character IMO. I know most of you will disagree vehemently so go ahead, flame away.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We should stop to ask, how many people did John Edward get killed by his mis judgments with Reilly Hunter? How much money has John Edwards taken out of my pocket? And since I did not vote for John Edwards in the primaries, how am I shamed?

I guess therein lies the difference. Some of us, including me, apply significantly more weighting to transgressions that harm and break up families, since IMO that is at the heart of much of what is wrong with our culture today. A certain selfishness born in part by the impact of broken families over time.

Bush & co may have fvcked up a lot of stuff, but I never once ever doubted their committments to their families. Bad policies, bad decisions, pale in comparison to bad character IMO. I know most of you will disagree vehemently so go ahead, flame away.

If someone isn't successful in their professional life what makes you think they're successful at anything else?

 

[Lemon law]

Bill Clinton is answerable to Hillary and Edwards must answer to his wife. If they have not divorced them, why should I?
What home is wrecked here?

But in terms of a monogamous relationship with one's spouse being more important than terribly bad public decisions and illegal acts, that is the biggest hunk of crap I ever heard.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We should stop to ask, how many people did John Edward get killed by his mis judgments with Reilly Hunter? How much money has John Edwards taken out of my pocket? And since I did not vote for John Edwards in the primaries, how am I shamed?

I guess therein lies the difference. Some of us, including me, apply significantly more weighting to transgressions that harm and break up families, since IMO that is at the heart of much of what is wrong with our culture today. A certain selfishness born in part by the impact of broken families over time.

Bush & co may have fvcked up a lot of stuff, but I never once ever doubted their committments to their families. Bad policies, bad decisions, pale in comparison to bad character IMO. I know most of you will disagree vehemently so go ahead, flame away.

If someone isn't successful in their professional life what makes you think they're successful at anything else?

"bad policies" or "bad decisions" doesn't mean unsuccessful. I've make plenty of bad decisions in my career, it doesn't make me unsuccessful. I've implemented bad policy too, doesn't mean I wasn't successful.

I think the whole point here is that if you can betray the person who you are closest to, why should anyone believe you won't betray them?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
but but the topic is stupid.

I agree, just as stupid as the topics that were started about Larry Craig, Mark Foley, etc... But the Dems that are now defending Edwards, were taking plenty of shots at Craig and Foley.

Soliciting sex in bathrooms and from Pages is a lot seamier than some egotistical asshole having an affair. Those guys are more like the ex Governor of NJ than Edwards.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We should stop to ask, how many people did John Edward get killed by his mis judgments with Reilly Hunter? How much money has John Edwards taken out of my pocket? And since I did not vote for John Edwards in the primaries, how am I shamed?

I guess therein lies the difference. Some of us, including me, apply significantly more weighting to transgressions that harm and break up families, since IMO that is at the heart of much of what is wrong with our culture today. A certain selfishness born in part by the impact of broken families over time.

Bush & co may have fvcked up a lot of stuff, but I never once ever doubted their committments to their families. Bad policies, bad decisions, pale in comparison to bad character IMO. I know most of you will disagree vehemently so go ahead, flame away.

So then you consider Carter one of the best presidents ever?

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
One could make the argument that it's personal...blah blah blah, but when you put yourself on the national stage and run for office most things are not personal anymore.

If affairs are not personal, what things do you consider personal?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Tab
-snip-
If someone isn't successful in their professional life what makes you think they're successful at anything else?

Common sense.

You don't need to be successful in your profession to be successful at other things such as: parenting, charitable work etc. There are others ways to be important in life besides making a lot of money - you appear to have caught the "American" disease.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Thump553
-snip-
Last I knew Edwards was not running for public office.

How do you define "public office"?

If it's Attorney General, or a cabinet official how do you he wasn't "running" for one of those offices?

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
-snip-
I believe that is part of why we have the horrible politicians we have today. EVERYONE has skeletons in their closets. A ton of good leaders will not run for office because of what they/their families will most likely have to endure.

Maybe how they handle it has something to do with it.

I seem to recall a certain Gov of New York being upfront about it. Didn't seem to cause him much problem.

OTOH, lying and denying until you're caught doesn't work very well

IMO, Edwards handled it very very poorly. Perhaps that's instructive?

Fern

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Fern
Maybe how they handle it has something to do with it.

I seem to recall a certain Gov of New York being upfront about it. Didn't seem to cause him much problem.

OTOH, lying and denying until you're caught doesn't work very well

IMO, Edwards handled it very very poorly. Perhaps that's instructive?

Spot on...last 3 posts.

Listen to Fern -- man knows what he's talking about.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Tab
-snip-
If someone isn't successful in their professional life what makes you think they're successful at anything else?

Common sense.

You don't need to be successful in your profession to be successful at other things such as: parenting, charitable work etc. There are others ways to be important in life besides making a lot of money - you appear to have caught the "American" disease.

Fern

There's always an exception and correlation isn't causation however I think there is a relation.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
We don't know McCain's ex-wife's feelings towards him when he came back from the war. And we also don't know any of this to be fact, just rumored infidelity. Either way, you have to admit *if* McCain did this 35 years ago, it is a completely different situation than the multi-millionaire trial lawyer sleeping around on his cancer-stricken wife...and continuing to lie about the situation. Add in the fact that she was being paid off by his staff (which he conveniently had no idea about lol) and possibly using campaign money to do so.

Just admit it, he's a scumbag. It won't hurt you.

Ironic post of the year. In your first paragraph you won't even concede McCain's infidelity (which he has admitted!) and then you encourage someone else to admit your opinion as fact. That takes some balls.

 

[Fern]

From jonks link:

McCain needed a divorce from Carol, his wife of 14 years from whom he was separated.

So McCain was seperated from his wife when he met Cindy, so what's the big deal then?

Fern

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Fern
From jonks link:

McCain needed a divorce from Carol, his wife of 14 years from whom he was separated.

So McCain was seperated from his wife when he met Cindy, so what's the big deal then?

Fern

It is a desperate attempt by the left to deflect obviously.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We should stop to ask, how many people did John Edward get killed by his mis judgments with Reilly Hunter? How much money has John Edwards taken out of my pocket? And since I did not vote for John Edwards in the primaries, how am I shamed?

I guess therein lies the difference. Some of us, including me, apply significantly more weighting to transgressions that harm and break up families, since IMO that is at the heart of much of what is wrong with our culture today. A certain selfishness born in part by the impact of broken families over time.

Bush & co may have fvcked up a lot of stuff, but I never once ever doubted their committments to their families. Bad policies, bad decisions, pale in comparison to bad character IMO. I know most of you will disagree vehemently so go ahead, flame away.

Bush causing a member of a family to be sent into battle and die by starting a bullshit war isn't breaking up a family? Mafiosi are reportedly very loyal to their families.

And I'm not flaming, just being incredulous.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Darwin333
-snip-
I believe that is part of why we have the horrible politicians we have today. EVERYONE has skeletons in their closets. A ton of good leaders will not run for office because of what they/their families will most likely have to endure.

Maybe how they handle it has something to do with it.

I seem to recall a certain Gov of New York being upfront about it. Didn't seem to cause him much problem.

OTOH, lying and denying until you're caught doesn't work very well

IMO, Edwards handled it very very poorly. Perhaps that's instructive?

Fern

Yep, that's exactly the point of why it's not just a "personal" issue. If a man can't handle his "personal life" with integrity then who knows how he'll do in the public sphere.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Fern
From jonks link:

McCain needed a divorce from Carol, his wife of 14 years from whom he was separated.

So McCain was seperated from his wife when he met Cindy, so what's the big deal then?

Fern

It is a desperate attempt by the left to deflect obviously.

Or an uninformed rebuttal by the right? Your timeline is screwed up. He had extra-marital affairs while stationed in Jacksonville, before he separated from his wife, and way BEFORE he met Cindy. She was merely the last of many woman he slept with while still married.

The right's contention that McCain's infidelity is somehow more acceptable is pretty amusing. Remember, one of these people is a former-senator and former presidential candidate while the other is a current senator and current presidential candidate.

I don't base my vote on marital fidelity so it makes no difference to me, but it's nice to see the conservatives rationalizing away.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jonks
-snip-
Or an uninformed rebuttal by the right?

Nope.

The left here has consistantly claimed he left his wife for the rich trophy wife Cindy. They specifically use HER name.

It is they who are unformed, and it is they I spoke to with that bit of info.

I suppose they need that bit of spin, that bit of deception because it sure as h3ll isn't effective to hear criticism of someone who when they were young and under that kind of stress (away from young wife for many years straight while in a POW camp) making mistakes. But then later being married faithfully (as far as we know) to another wife for almost 30 years etc.

Fern

 

[Fern]

This story appears to have *legs*. It continues to be all over the MSM.

And Edwards appears to have lied about the details in his *confession*. Women who are friends with Rielle (sp?) are coming forward to dispute his story - and the timeline looks to be false based on video and photographic evidence.

He appears now to have lied about paying her +$100K, contrary to his assertion he WAS having an affair with before hiring her.

He also looks to have lied about about *cancer was remission* thing too.

His credibility is shot, and I think this story will continue to get attention until all the facts come out. I believe many women are intensely interested to knw if the child is his.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern
This story appears to have *legs*. It continues to be all over the MSM.

And Edwards appears to have lied about the details in his *confession*. Women who are friends with Rielle (sp?) are coming forward to dispute his story - and the timeline looks to be false based on video and photographic evidence.

He appears now to have lied about paying her +$100K, contrary to his assertion he WAS having an affair with before hiring her.

He also looks to have lied about about *cancer was remission* thing too.

His credibility is shot, and I think this story will continue to get attention until all the facts come out. I believe many women are intensely interested to knw if the child is his.

Fern

I think people are intensely interested, but I can't see the mother ever giving in to a test. She doesn't have anything to gain by it, and a lot to lose.

As far as Edwards goes, if he's lying about these things still he's an idiot. If you're going to come out and say you lied... get everything out at once.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
-snip-
I think people are intensely interested, but I can't see the mother ever giving in to a test. She doesn't have anything to gain by it, and a lot to lose.

Yep, you might be right.

But I think ultimately it depends upon how Edwards plays it. Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've never found any woman I've been associated with to act with logic in matters such as these.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jonks
-snip-
Or an uninformed rebuttal by the right?

Nope.

The left here has consistantly claimed he left his wife for the rich trophy wife Cindy. They specifically use HER name.

It is they who are unformed, and it is they I spoke to with that bit of info.

I suppose they need that bit of spin, that bit of deception because it sure as h3ll isn't effective to hear criticism of someone who when they were young and under that kind of stress (away from young wife for many years straight while in a POW camp) making mistakes. But then later being married faithfully (as far as we know) to another wife for almost 30 years etc.

Fern

You're rationalizing man.

Like jonks, I don't really care if McCain cheated on his wife. (powerful and popular men tend to do this) If people are going to go apeshit over Edwards' cheating though, they should recognize that McCain almost certainly committed the same sin.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Like jonks, I don't really care if McCain cheated on his wife. (powerful and popular men tend to do this) If people are going to go apeshit over Edwards' cheating though, they should recognize that McCain almost certainly committed the same sin.

Why the qualification? He has admitted having affairs.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/...ccainbio-chapter5.html
"Their marriage began disintegrating while McCain was stationed in Jacksonville. McCain has admitted to having extramarital affairs."

Originally posted by: Fern
The left here has consistantly claimed he left his wife for the rich trophy wife Cindy. They specifically use HER name.

Because that's correct. He didn't divorce his wife until he met and wanted to marry Cindy. He slept with other women even before he separated from his first wife, but Cindy was the catalyst for the divorce. Legally speaking, sex during separation is still adultery. Hell, merely dating is enough proof for adultery in divorce proceedings.

I suppose they need that bit of spin, that bit of deception because it sure as h3ll isn't effective to hear criticism of someone who when they were young and under that kind of stress (away from young wife for many years straight while in a POW camp) making mistakes.

Young? He was 41. And he got back to the US in 1973 but apparently didn't cheat until 77. Yes, had a rough as hell bunch of years in Vietnam, but Edwards wife has cancer and his son was tragically killed. You want to run down every reason anyone ever had stress in their marriage for which "mistakes" are excusable and which aren't?