Scratch Edwards off the VP search list

[magomago]

Originally posted by: jonksFormer Dem Senator who ran for the nomination and lost had an affair, or current Rep Presidential Nominee who had an affair? I'd be surprised to not see McCain's past dredged up from the deep.

And you can be sure that if questioned on the matter McCain won't get quoted saying anything other than "it's none of my business. It's a private matter between Sen. Edwards and his family."

The sensationlism is just so much greater in the latter...imagine the numbers of viewers they could get. I suppose McCain wouldn't have to be pissy that Obama is getting all the media attention

As for Edwards...never liked him very much. Class action lawyer should have said enough.

 

[bamacre]

I wonder if we'll ever hear of McCain cheating on his wife.

 

[Dari]

McCain: Man of honor, integrity, war hero

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Dari
McCain: Man of honor, integrity, war hero

well, there you go.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Dari
McCain: Man of honor, integrity, war hero

well, there you go.

I know. My fiancee and I were watching this today and she said that if I cheated on her, she'd Bobbitize me:shocked:

 

[brencat]

"The moment I laid eyes on you I knew you were no good" -- Wall Street

Poetic justice for a bloodsucking pretty-boy lawyer who turned out to be the worst kind of scum bag. Cry me a river. Take your two Americas dildo and beat it buddy.

 

[seemingly random]

Interesting about the number of sons of the righteous south who've been caught straying.

Maybe it is time for the third party the south and others have been asking for. We'd have the republicrits, the democrits and the hypocrits.

 

[Infohawk]

I think the most interesting part of this story is how it unfolded within the Dem party. I would think there was pressure to expose this before a VP was chosen. Edwards wouldn't have been a bad VP choice in that he's a Southern white.

I don't know how big of a deal a cheating politician should be. The average man is a cheater and the temptation is probably stronger when one is a politician/star, as others have suggested. (I still think it's a bigger deal when it's a Republican only because Republicans are supposed to be the family values types.)

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think the most interesting part of this story is how it unfolded within the Dem party. I would think there was pressure to expose this before a VP was chosen. Edwards wouldn't have been a bad VP choice in that he's a Southern white.

I don't know how big of a deal a cheating politician should be. The average man is a cheater and the temptation is probably stronger when one is a politician/star, as others have suggested. (I still think it's a bigger deal when it's a Republican only because Republicans are supposed to be the family values types.)

Guess who said this in regards to Bill Clinton circa 1999:

"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."

 

[Tab]

I totally think he wife should come out and say they're swingers and had threesomes on a regular basis. :thumbsup:

Seriously, you can spin anything.

 

[Lemon law]

One sexual transgression and all the other aspects of Edward's career are forgotten. Is that crazy or not? I could understand a similar reaction if the Edwards had just murdered someone or committed some heinous crime, but last time I checked, a male having sex with a consenting female he is not married to is not against any law. And if it were and vigorously enforced, we would not have enough jails in the country to hold all the offenders in even if we released every other category of criminal to make room.

Our society is incredibly up tight crazy about sexual taboos.

 

[episodic]

What about McCain?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
One sexual transgression and all the other aspects of Edward's career are forgotten. Is that crazy or not? I could understand a similar reaction if the Edwards had just murdered someone or committed some heinous crime, but last time I checked, a male having sex with a consenting female he is not married to is not against any law. And if it were and vigorously enforced, we would not have enough jails in the country to hold all the offenders in even if we released every other category of criminal to make room.

Our society is incredibly up tight crazy about sexual taboos.

America is far more religious and G-d fearing than you think.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Topic Title: Scratch Edwards off the VP search list

Topic Summary: Admits to having an affair

I wouldn't scratch him off, only Republicans profess to being the Morality Police while breaking the very laws they write on the subject.


Yes, Dems have their host of issues on this too but they don't go around professing to be the Morality police.

 

[NFS4]

Mrs. Edwards speaks:

Our family has been through a lot. Some caused by nature, some caused by human weakness, and some most recently caused by the desire for sensationalism and profit without any regard for the human consequences. None of these has been easy. But we have stood with one another through them all. Although John believes he should stand alone and take the consequences of his action now, when the door closes behind him, he has his family waiting for him.

John made a terrible mistake in 2006. The fact that it is a mistake that many others have made before him did not make it any easier for me to hear when he told me what he had done. But he did tell me. And we began a long and painful process in 2006, a process oddly made somewhat easier with my diagnosis in March of 2007. This was our private matter, and I frankly wanted it to be private because as painful as it was I did not want to have to play it out on a public stage as well. Because of a recent string of hurtful and absurd lies in a tabloid publication, because of a picture falsely suggesting that John was spending time with a child it wrongly alleged he had fathered outside our marriage, our private matter could no longer be wholly private. The pain of the long journey since 2006 was about to be renewed.

John has spoken in a long on-camera interview. Admitting one's mistakes is a hard thing for anyone to do. I am proud of the courage John showed by his honesty in the face of shame. The toll on our family of news helicopters over our house and reporters in our driveway is yet unknown. But now the truth is out, and the repair work that began in 2006 will continue. I ask that the public, who expressed concern about the harm John's conduct has done to us, think also about the real harm that the present voyeurism does and give me and my family the privacy we need at this time.

http://ap.google.com/article/A...2bo1riKIRq0vwD92EF3GG0

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Mrs. Edwards speaks:

Our family has been through a lot. Some caused by nature, some caused by human weakness, and some most recently caused by the desire for sensationalism and profit without any regard for the human consequences. None of these has been easy. But we have stood with one another through them all. Although John believes he should stand alone and take the consequences of his action now, when the door closes behind him, he has his family waiting for him.

John made a terrible mistake in 2006. The fact that it is a mistake that many others have made before him did not make it any easier for me to hear when he told me what he had done. But he did tell me. And we began a long and painful process in 2006, a process oddly made somewhat easier with my diagnosis in March of 2007. This was our private matter, and I frankly wanted it to be private because as painful as it was I did not want to have to play it out on a public stage as well. Because of a recent string of hurtful and absurd lies in a tabloid publication, because of a picture falsely suggesting that John was spending time with a child it wrongly alleged he had fathered outside our marriage, our private matter could no longer be wholly private. The pain of the long journey since 2006 was about to be renewed.

John has spoken in a long on-camera interview. Admitting one's mistakes is a hard thing for anyone to do. I am proud of the courage John showed by his honesty in the face of shame. The toll on our family of news helicopters over our house and reporters in our driveway is yet unknown. But now the truth is out, and the repair work that began in 2006 will continue. I ask that the public, who expressed concern about the harm John's conduct has done to us, think also about the real harm that the present voyeurism does and give me and my family the privacy we need at this time.

http://ap.google.com/article/A...2bo1riKIRq0vwD92EF3GG0

Thanks Ace.

Just as I thought.

Another Republican Morality Police smear, oh I am so surprised.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
One sexual transgression and all the other aspects of Edward's career are forgotten. Is that crazy or not? I could understand a similar reaction if the Edwards had just murdered someone or committed some heinous crime, but last time I checked, a male having sex with a consenting female he is not married to is not against any law. And if it were and vigorously enforced, we would not have enough jails in the country to hold all the offenders in even if we released every other category of criminal to make room.

Our society is incredibly up tight crazy about sexual taboos.

Wasnt it you who suggested a few weeks ago that Edward's wife may have allowed this to happen because she could not meet his sexual needs anymore?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Dari
This is bad news for McCain because it brings up his dirty past as well.

I doubt it.

Only here at P&N can someone pull off a segue like "breaking news - Edwards guilty of extramarital affiar! In other news, 25 years ago John McCain may have a had an extra martital relationship with his current wife of 25 years - Cindy McCain...."

Edit: Wait - 50/50 Keith Olbermann probably tries it tonight.

Fern

Are you serious? Edwards is in trouble for cheating on his wife. McCain almost certainly cheated on his former wife. How is that a difficult segue?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I wonder if we'll ever hear of McCain cheating on his wife.

Right on time:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/?y=1

ut the news is not all bad for Democrats. First, Obama is pretty much soaked in Teflon when it comes to family matters. Second, it could be a lot worse: What if Edwards had actually won the nomination? And third, it introduces marital infidelity back into the conversation.

Recall: John McCain returned to the United States from Vietnam in March 1973. His wife, Carol, had been in a near-fatal car accident while he was gone. She was overweight, on crutches, and 4 inches shorter than when McCain had left. McCain ended up divorcing Carol for Cindy Hensley, his current wife. Carol has remained mostly silent on her marriage to John, except for one notable comment to a McCain biographer: ?John was turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again.?

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Lemon law
One sexual transgression and all the other aspects of Edward's career are forgotten. Is that crazy or not? I could understand a similar reaction if the Edwards had just murdered someone or committed some heinous crime, but last time I checked, a male having sex with a consenting female he is not married to is not against any law. And if it were and vigorously enforced, we would not have enough jails in the country to hold all the offenders in even if we released every other category of criminal to make room.

Our society is incredibly up tight crazy about sexual taboos.

Wasnt it you who suggested a few weeks ago that Edward's wife may have allowed this to happen because she could not meet his sexual needs anymore?

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To a certain extent yes Corbett, but not quite the way to attempt to distort it. And now given Elizabeth Edwards comments, its still not very definitive and not likely to become more defined in the future.

Its an issue that has come and it will fade like yesterday's news, but in general, the GOP has to very careful or the issues of McCain's infidelities have the potential to be the better swift boat target as the Presidential campaign of 08 progresses.

McCain is a under a media spot light, Edwards pain may be now, but Edwards is still a small side issue. At best the GOP can use Edwards to say some democrats are sexual libertines, but in any honest comparison in resent years, the GOP have more skeletons in their closet.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: bamacre
I wonder if we'll ever hear of McCain cheating on his wife.

Right on time:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/?y=1

ut the news is not all bad for Democrats. First, Obama is pretty much soaked in Teflon when it comes to family matters. Second, it could be a lot worse: What if Edwards had actually won the nomination? And third, it introduces marital infidelity back into the conversation.

Recall: John McCain returned to the United States from Vietnam in March 1973. His wife, Carol, had been in a near-fatal car accident while he was gone. She was overweight, on crutches, and 4 inches shorter than when McCain had left. McCain ended up divorcing Carol for Cindy Hensley, his current wife. Carol has remained mostly silent on her marriage to John, except for one notable comment to a McCain biographer: ?John was turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again.?

etc. etc. etc.

Just to play devil's advocate, McCain went through hell, too. It's hard to say what the short-term psychological effects of being tortured and imprisoned for five years would be, especially when your spouse is unrecognizable.

And, honestly, 35 years is a long time. I'm not the same person I was 10 years, much less 35. John McCain of 1973 is probably a far different person than John McCain of 2008. I also wonder why you didn't post this quote, from further down the article:

"My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity,? McCain wrote in his autobiography. ?The blame was entirely mine."

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: bamacre
I wonder if we'll ever hear of McCain cheating on his wife.

Right on time:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/?y=1

ut the news is not all bad for Democrats. First, Obama is pretty much soaked in Teflon when it comes to family matters. Second, it could be a lot worse: What if Edwards had actually won the nomination? And third, it introduces marital infidelity back into the conversation.

Recall: John McCain returned to the United States from Vietnam in March 1973. His wife, Carol, had been in a near-fatal car accident while he was gone. She was overweight, on crutches, and 4 inches shorter than when McCain had left. McCain ended up divorcing Carol for Cindy Hensley, his current wife. Carol has remained mostly silent on her marriage to John, except for one notable comment to a McCain biographer: ?John was turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again.?

etc. etc. etc.

Just to play devil's advocate, McCain went through hell, too. It's hard to say what the short-term psychological effects of being tortured and imprisoned for five years would be, especially when your spouse is unrecognizable.

And, honestly, 35 years is a long time. I'm not the same person I was 10 years, much less 35. John McCain of 1973 is probably a far different person than John McCain of 2008. I also wonder why you didn't post this quote, from further down the article:

"My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity,? McCain wrote in his autobiography. ?The blame was entirely mine."

I guess that makes it OK, then:roll:.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Dari

I guess that makes it OK, then:roll:.

We don't know his ex-wife's feelings towards him when he came back from the war. And we also don't know any of this to be fact, just rumored infidelity. Either way, you have to admit *if* McCain did this 35 years ago, it is a completely different situation than the multi-millionaire trial lawyer sleeping around on his cancer-stricken wife...and continuing to lie about the situation. Add in the fact that she was being paid off by his staff (which he conveniently had no idea about lol) and possibly using campaign money to do so.

Just admit it, he's a scumbag. It won't hurt you.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Lemon law
One sexual transgression and all the other aspects of Edward's career are forgotten. Is that crazy or not? I could understand a similar reaction if the Edwards had just murdered someone or committed some heinous crime, but last time I checked, a male having sex with a consenting female he is not married to is not against any law. And if it were and vigorously enforced, we would not have enough jails in the country to hold all the offenders in even if we released every other category of criminal to make room.

Our society is incredibly up tight crazy about sexual taboos.

Wasnt it you who suggested a few weeks ago that Edward's wife may have allowed this to happen because she could not meet his sexual needs anymore?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To a certain extent yes Corbett, but not quite the way to attempt to distort it. And now given Elizabeth Edwards comments, its still not very definitive and not likely to become more defined in the future.

Its an issue that has come and it will fade like yesterday's news, but in general, the GOP has to very careful or the issues of McCain's infidelities have the potential to be the better swift boat target as the Presidential campaign of 08 progresses.

McCain is a under a media spot light, Edwards pain may be now, but Edwards is still a small side issue. At best the GOP can use Edwards to say some democrats are sexual libertines, but in any honest comparison in resent years, the GOP have more skeletons in their closet.

This is one of the few bright points of this extended election - the revelations of more republican hypocrisy that might be brought out as we get closer to election day. haggert and foley were funny as hell - it was karma. I'm surprised that some repugs didn't commit real suicide as a result of this. The investigations into the speaker of the house should have gone further though.

 

[Lemon law]

For what its worth, the lady Edwards cheated with now refuses to subject her or her child to a paternity test. So now the issue may become, who has court standing to force a paternity test? Even if Edwards wants to prove he is innocent, she does have a right to her privacy.

Oh goody, lets make her life miserable and that of her totally innocent child. Its the Puritan way to do it. Lets us all tattoo a scarlet letter on the child's forehead, and the bigger and more red the better.