SCOTUS rules unanimously asset forfeiture unconstitutional

Vic

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Something we should all be able to agree on: SCOTUS rules unanimously that asset forfeiture is unconstitutional under 8th amendment. This is great news and long overdue. Hopefully those who have been wrongly and unconstitutionally stripped of their property in the past will have some recourse.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-excessive-fees-fines-forfeitures/2919411002/

Supreme Court strikes blow against states that raise revenue by hefty fines, forfeitures

RICHARD WOLF | USA TODAY

Updated 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Wednesday that state governments cannot impose excessive court fees, fines and forfeitures as a means of raising money.
The decision, which united the court's conservatives and liberals, makes clear that the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against "excessive fines" applies to the states.
Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, just back in court after lung cancer surgery, wrote the majority opinion and announced it from the bench.
"The protection against excessive fines guards against abuses of government’s punitive or criminal law-enforcement authority," Ginsburg wrote. Quoting in part from the court's 2010 ruling that Second Amendment gun rights apply to the states, she said, "This safeguard, we hold, is 'fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty.'"

It was a victory for Tyson Timbs, who sold less than $400 worth of heroin to undercover police officers in 2013. Upon conviction, Indiana seized his Land Rover, which he had purchased for more than $42,000.
Liberals and libertarians alike have groused for years about what they see as increasingly greedy governments. A study by Harvard University and the National Institute of Justice found that some 10 million people owe more than $50 billion as a result of the fines, fees and forfeitures.

Many of the fines and forfeitures eventually are contested and reduced. But the court's ruling could cut down on their imposition in the first place.
State and local governments increasingly use funds collected in criminal and civil cases to pay for municipal services. The 100 cities with the highest proportion of revenue from fines and fees in 2012 financed between 7 percent and 30 percent of their budgets that way, according to the Americal Civil Liberties Union.

The practice often leads low-income defendants further into poverty, crime, prison and recidivism, the liberal Southern Poverty Law Center and libertarian Cato Institute argued in court papers. The American Bar Association noted that nearly two-thirds of prisoners have little prospect of paying the fines and fees after their release.
Timbs' conviction resulted in a year's home detention, five years' probation and about $1,200 in fees. But it was the seizure of his SUV, purchased with life insurance proceeds after his father's death, that led to the lawsuit. The 2012 Land Rover LR2 is even a named plaintiff.
The seizure was defended by several national municipal groups. They argued in court papers that the vehicle was used in heroin trafficking that could have generated hefty profits, and that its forfeiture properly left Timbs without the ride he needed for his craft.
The case came to the Supreme Court from Indiana's highest court, which ruled that the excessive fines clause doesn't apply to the states. It represents the latest effort to determine what portions of the Bill of Rights apply to the states.

Most rights, such as the Second Amendment's right to bear arms for self-defense, have been extended. But the right to a unanimous jury verdict under the Sixth Amendment has not.
Ginsburg noted that other elements of the Eighth Amendment already are applicable to the states. The amendment states that “excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
 

Jaskalas

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Does this apply to ALL asset forfeiture?

I'm betting that, if you walk around with an amount of cash, the police can and will still seize / steal it from you. That's a lot quieter an action than stealing a vehicle or house.

Anyways, thank god for a proper SCOTUS ruling.
 

zinfamous

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That is probably exactly why the conservatives went along with this ruling.

I would be lying if I claimed that wasn't my first thought after seeing this, lol.

...but then I remembered that the entirety of Trump's current, most reasonable assumed wealth ($500 million or so), represents the current estimate that he and pops stole from the IRS when trying to launder his inheritance...so the Feds can probably still put the bastards in the poorhouse.
 

HomerJS

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Good call.

....my only concern though is that maybe now NYC won't be able to confiscate all property of the Trump family once those criminal bastards get RICO'd. :\
I think this applies to asset siezure without due process because LEO claim something illegal happened, i.e drugs. I think can still happen if found guilty in court.
 

hal2kilo

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I think this applies to asset siezure without due process because LEO claim something illegal happened, i.e drugs. I think can still happen if found guilty in court.
The keys words- if found guilty in court. Amazing how group hysteria can throw due process out the window and codify it in law. This should have never happened.
Hopefully some of these townships that have been preying on their poor communities are going to have to change their ways. People have literally been thrown in jail for not paying ridiculous fines.
 

Texashiker

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Finally, the supreme court upholds individuals rights and liberties.

A step in the right direction.

Kinda like the raisin case. Why does the government think they can seize property without due process.
 

Indus

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Finally, the supreme court upholds individuals rights and liberties.

A step in the right direction.

Kinda like the raisin case. Why does the government think they can seize property without due process.

It was Indiana..
 

dyna

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This is a good thing and I also view asset forfeiture as an enabler for bad police behavior. Kind of like a drug addiction, they start small and then move on to worse things.
 

Viper1j

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Good call.

....my only concern though is that maybe now NYC won't be able to confiscate all property of the Trump family once those criminal bastards get RICO'd. :\

Just means Donny will have hella money on his prison books. OJ Simpson still collected his 45,000.00 A MONTH NFL pension while he was in prison, and there was nothing anyone could do about it.
 

glenn1

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Good ruling but I would have preferred it went further and eliminated "excessive" altogether in favor of forfeiture only of property directly related to the crime (e.g. the drugs being sold, the gun used, etc.) rather than just whatever other stuff lying around the state could convince a judge was "reasonable."
 
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