SCOTUS rules on redistricting: Independent commissions allowed

[Jhhnn]

It's a good ruling. When the citizens of a State take it into their own hands to pass a referendum to create a commission, it means they're deeply dissatisfied with the way the legislature has been doing it.

Honest & fair minded people, left or right, oppose gerrymandering, particularly the extreme sort made possible by computer analysis. It's shameful in a win by any means sort of way, making a mockery of democratic processes.

 

[JSt0rm]

It's a good ruling. When the citizens of a State take it into their own hands to pass a referendum to create a commission, it means they're deeply dissatisfied with the way the legislature has been doing it.

Honest & fair minded people, left or right, oppose gerrymandering, particularly the extreme sort made possible by computer analysis. It's shameful in a win by any means sort of way, making a mockery of democratic processes.

no. This is now dictatorship per mike1980

 

[michal1980]

how?
the AZ commission is composed of 2 repubs, 2 dems, and an independent.

what happened in CA?

Ive posted it before. Their is supposed to be an independent commission that took community input. Well the democrats brought in carpetbaggers to these meetings to make it look like there were more democrats in certain areas then there really were.

 

[michal1980]

It's a good ruling. When the citizens of a State take it into their own hands to pass a referendum to create a commission, it means they're deeply dissatisfied with the way the legislature has been doing it.

Honest & fair minded people, left or right, oppose gerrymandering, particularly the extreme sort made possible by computer analysis. It's shameful in a win by any means sort of way, making a mockery of democratic processes.

The only time a party complains about gerrymandering is when their opponent is in charge.

 

[nickqt]

That is part of why I posted that graphic. In both scenarios, somebody is getting hosed. It is the entire point.

Everyone deserves representation, but in coming up with district lines, you need to ensure that the least amount of bias is introduced into that process. That is why independent commissions are a good idea compared to legislators doing it themselves. If anyone has a better idea than independent commissions, I'm all ears.

You mention a proportional system. How would that process work?

Example with explanation. You can watch other videos discussing voting methods, problems, and solutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

 

[cubby1223]

The only time a party complains about gerrymandering is when their opponent is in charge.

Pretty much.

Liberals don't notice any of the Dem Gerrymandering that goes on in my home state of Illinois. It's quite simple how they do it, if two Republicans hold office and live near each other, redraw the districts so they now reside within the same district. One of them is guaranteed out of the legislature next election, while creating the new second district to have an open seat for grabs.

I support different systems for redistricting, but there will always be controversy with whom the "independent" members of the commission sides with. Who gets the upper-hand in the system for choosing wins all. It's just a second-level to the Gerrymandering game.

Gerrymandering is a necessity to guarantee minority representation in our winner-take-all system. Therefore redistricting will *always* be a hot button topic, no way to avoid it.

 

[nickqt]

Pretty much.

Liberals don't notice any of the Dem Gerrymandering that goes on in my home state of Illinois. It's quite simple how they do it, if two Republicans hold office and live near each other, redraw the districts so they now reside within the same district. One of them is guaranteed out of the legislature next election, while creating the new second district to have an open seat for grabs.

I support different systems for redistricting, but there will always be controversy with whom the "independent" members of the commission sides with. Who gets the upper-hand in the system for choosing wins all. It's just a second-level to the Gerrymandering game.

Gerrymandering is a necessity to guarantee minority representation in our winner-take-all system. Therefore redistricting will *always* be a hot button topic, no way to avoid it.

Gerrymandering is not necessary.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only time a party complains about gerrymandering is when their opponent is in charge.

And now, we get the usual "They're just as bad!" justification for egregious behavior.

 

[nickqt]

And now, we get the usual "They're just as bad!" justification for egregious behavior.

First, demonize the other side. When your side is shown to be clearly terrible and it can no longer be hand-waved away, then you throw out the Big Lie of "both sides do it".

"Both sides do it" is the official motto of the media. Sure, Ted Cruz is a lunatic, but there are libruls somewhere posting equally crazy shit on forums, so...both sides do it.