SCOTUS Hearing on Obama Eligibility: 14 Congressman served subpoenas

[NoStateofMind]

Whats it matter if his dad was Hitler who fucked an American prostitute in Germany who came back to the states 8 months pregnant?

Read my responses above. Your over exaggeration doesn't help much though.

 

[cybrsage]

According to the citizenship rules in place at the time of Obama's election (the rules are applied retroactively provided they are less restrictive, but not if they are more restrictive - the new rules are less restrictive and actually remove the illegal sexism in the system) Obama would be a natural born citizen due to his mother being one.

At the time of the election, to be a natural born citizen, there were many ways - be born here; be born on an official US installation (such as an embassy, a military base, etc) or be born while your citizen parent was on official US government duty abroad; and then there is the parentage path which I will expound on.

Assume Obama was born in the pleasure palaces of the Ayatollah of Iran just for the sake of argument...can he be a natural born citizen still? Yes, provided his mother is a natural born citizen and meets the other requirements. At the time of Obama's election, the requirement was that she be a natural born citizen and that she lived at least 5 of the last 10 years after he 14th birthday in the US (or its official areas as stated above).

Was she a US citizen? Yes, she was born an a military base in the US. Cannot get any more American than that. Did she live 5 of the last 10 years after her 14th birthday in the US? That is where we have a potential legal fight.

Barack was born when his mother was only 18 - and that means she only lived in the US for 4 years of the last 10 since her 14th birthday and not 5. She lived ALL of her years in the US, but not 5. Why not 5? For the math impaired, it is impossible to live 5 years between the ages of 14 and 18 due to there only being 4 years between those ages.

They could legally petition the SCOTUS to rule Barack a non-US citizen at all (due to never going through the citizenship path) at the time of his first election due to that technicality. The letter of the law is on their side, but the spirit of the law says that since she lived 100% of the time after she turned 14 inside the US that she passed on citizenship to her child.

The purpose of the amount of time living in the US is two fold. The founders were afraid citizens would move to France (for example) and live there for 5 generations, giving birth to US citizens who have never set foot in the US and whose great grandparents did not either. We would have foreigners as US citizens. The other reason is what would happen if a pregnant women went to the Canadian side of Niagra Falls, slipped, and went into early labor. Her child would be born in Canada...does that mean the child is not a US citizen? No, the rules say the child is still a US citizen, which is a good thing.


Thus, it does not matter if Barack was born in the US or not, his mother passed on citizenship to him at birth, which makes him a natural born citizen. There is a very small possibility the SCOTUS will rule on the technicality and claim he was not a natural born citizen at the time of his first election, but I sincerely doubt it.

 

[nextJin]

Read my responses above. Your over exaggeration doesn't help much though.

I did read them, you need to stick with gun rights arguments because no courts in the modern era are going to rule against in my obviously extreme example above.

The rules are set, why do you think there are politicians introducing legislation to the clarify citizenship? I agree we need to change it, but even then it doesn't change the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen.

I can't believe people are even still on this.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I did read them, you need to stick with gun rights arguments because no courts in the modern era are going to rule against in my obviously extreme example above.

The rules are set, why do you think there are politicians introducing legislation to the clarify citizenship? I agree we need to change it, but even then it doesn't change the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen.

I can't believe people are even still on this.

Are you willfully ignoring? I agreed above. Jesus, what are you on about now?

 

[waggy]

threads like this are great.


lets say that there is proof that Obama was not born in the US and is not a US citizen. What then? don't it seem just a little late to do anything about it? Oh joy Biden is now pres! ugh..

 

[dmcowen674]

SCOTUS Hearing on Obama Eligibility: 14 Congressman served subpoenas


I thought everyone had given up on persuing Obama's ineligibility, guess no


If nothing else perhaps this might force Obama to open his records he executive ordered sealed with his first act in office and we may learn more about who our president really is.

What is clear is that the OP as well as all Republicans will never get over the fact Obama beat them twice and as bolded he is your President like it or not.

 

[Jhhnn]

Birtherism- it's an incurable disease of the mind, like so much of what fringe-whacks believe.

It's pathetic.

 

[Exterous]

threads like this are great.


lets say that there is proof that Obama was not born in the US and is not a US citizen. What then? don't it seem just a little late to do anything about it? Oh joy Biden is now pres! ugh..

That was my thought as well. I guess they could try and tie up the legislative and court system with a whole plethora of lawsuits and repeal attempts but this really needs to be let go of at this point...

 

[Genx87]

People need to give up this idea they will find a gotcha with the president's birth certificate. If the Clintonistas couldnt unearth this nobody can. This should had died in 08.

And lets say they do uncover something that shows Obama is ineligible. Then what? afaik it would take articles of impeachment to get him out of office. Good luck with all that.

 

[cybrsage]

What is clear is that the OP as well as all Republicans will never get over the fact Obama beat them twice and as bolded he is your President like it or not.

This thread contains examples showing you are wrong, yet you posted it anyway. Why is that? Do you simply like posting things you know are wrong so people can point at you and laugh?

 

[cybrsage]

Birtherism- it's an incurable disease of the mind, like so much of what fringe-whacks believe.

It's pathetic.

It, and the very closely related "Tax Returnerism", are willful illnesses. We should laugh at people from bother camps. There are a few who finally admit they were silly and leave both of those groups, but most will never admit they were idiots.