Scott Pelley interviews Biden on 60 Minutes last night

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TBH, I thought it was great start to finish. No gaffs, no stupidity. Maybe they told him what the questions were beforehand, maybe not. It didn't come off as scripted and Pelley dug into some stuff. I thought Biden's answers were fine. Can probably dig it up in the Internet.


 

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I basically never watch this sort of thing but it was on after the football game I was watching so I left it on. It’s a good reminder of how presidents are supposed to act.

When the interviewer asked if the US would stand fast in its commitment to Ukraine you know if Trump were asked it would have been something like ‘we’ll see I like to be nice but Ukraine has been very mean to me but also they love me and they love strength and you have to be strong and I’m the strongest and they love me even though some have said things that aren’t nice…blah blah’

Biden was just like ‘yes’.
 

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I basically never watch this sort of thing but it was on after the football game I was watching so I left it on. It’s a good reminder of how presidents are supposed to act.

When the interviewer asked if the US would stand fast in its commitment to Ukraine you know if Trump were asked it would have been something like ‘we’ll see I like to be nice but Ukraine has been very mean to me but also they love me and they love strength and you have to be strong and I’m the strongest and they love me even though some have said things that aren’t nice…blah blah’

Biden was just like ‘yes’.

Yeah, the normalcy of it all is refreshing. So much crazy went on in the last admin that getting back to this is just refreshing.
 

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Yeah, the normalcy of it all is refreshing. So much crazy went on in the last admin that getting back to this is just refreshing.
There is nothing normal about blatant criminals walking free. The "rule of law" party needs to choke on it before it is too late. This slow grind to nowhere is going to lead to apathy for large swaths of the population.
 

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There is nothing normal about blatant criminals walking free. The "rule of law" party needs to choke on it before it is too late. This slow grind to nowhere is going to lead to apathy for large swaths of the population.

I agree they need to be held accountable, but lets not act like previous admins (not to the degree of 45 maybe) haven't gotten away with huge crimes before.

I was referring more to the normalcy of public admin behavior.
 

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I agree they need to be held accountable, but lets not act like previous admins (not to the degree of 45 maybe) haven't gotten away with huge crimes before.

I was referring more to the normalcy of public admin behavior.
The previous administration was the biggliest at the crime stuff for sure.
 

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Biden Says the Pandemic Is Over. But at Least 400 People Are Dying Daily.
The president made the remark in an interview that aired on CBS’s “60 Minutes” on Sunday night. By Monday, the backlash was in full swing
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Yeah, that was the eyebrows up moment for me in the ~22 minute 60 Minutes piece.


Well, if he hadn't made any mistakes it would be suspect. ;)
 

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Biden Says the Pandemic Is Over. But at Least 400 People Are Dying Daily.
The president made the remark in an interview that aired on CBS’s “60 Minutes” on Sunday night. By Monday, the backlash was in full swing
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Yeah, that was the eyebrows up moment for me in the ~22 minute 60 Minutes piece.


Well, if he hadn't made any mistakes it would be suspect. ;)

It's a nuanced take, but he's not wrong.

While under the technical/clinical definition it might still be ongoing, in a practical sense it was over as soon as we gave up on any of the protections and went back to "normal". Take a trip to walmart and see the % of people masked. It's over. Hardly anyone cares anymore. We decided as a society that it was worth the risk of killing off a large # of our citizens daily, risking the as yet unknown impacts of long covid, risking a mutation that would be more lethal all in the name of being able to graze at Golden Corral whenever we damn well want. Freedum!

And I say this as someone who for ~2.5yrs has been a staunch advocate of all precautions (school mask mandates, vaccines, etc), and still continues to mask/distance while indoors in public.
 

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It's a nuanced take, but he's not wrong.

While under the technical/clinical definition it might still be ongoing, in a practical sense it was over as soon as we gave up on any of the protections and went back to "normal". Take a trip to walmart and see the % of people masked. It's over. Hardly anyone cares anymore. We decided as a society that it was worth the risk of killing off a large # of our citizens daily, risking the as yet unknown impacts of long covid, risking a mutation that would be more lethal all in the name of being able to graze at Golden Corral whenever we damn well want. Freedum!
And I say this as someone who for ~2.5yrs has been a staunch advocate of all precautions (school mask mandates, vaccines, etc), and still continues to mask/distance while indoors in public.
Yup. I'm still masked in public indoors, period. N95. Excellent point there, Long Covid is a thing and AFAIK, a matter of legit concern still. Was talking to my neighbor recently. She's young 40's, caught Omicron maybe 2 months ago now, told me a month ago she was still feeling it. AFAIK, I have never caught any strain, want to keep it that way as long as possible.
 

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The pandemic is over and we will put boots on the ground in Taiwan if they are invaded by China.
I think both of those statements are widely accepted to be true. America clearly considers the pandemic to be over and while technically the US maintained 'strategic ambiguity' in regards to Taiwan the entire reason China has never invaded it is because they know the US would respond.
 

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There is nothing normal about blatant criminals walking free. The "rule of law" party needs to choke on it before it is too late. This slow grind to nowhere is going to lead to apathy for large swaths of the population.

Probably already too late for any of that.
 

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I think both of those statements are widely accepted to be true. America clearly considers the pandemic to be over and while technically the US maintained 'strategic ambiguity' in regards to Taiwan the entire reason China has never invaded it is because they know the US would respond.

Stop talking sense to a non-partisan partisan.
 

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I'm surprised he committed US to defend Taiwan. The status quo was to just keep everything ambiguous.
That was a surprise. Everything he said was standard with regard to Taiwan AFAIK until Scott asked him if we'd commit American service members to defending Taiwan if China invaded and IIRC his answer was one word: "Yes."
 

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I think both of those statements are widely accepted to be true. America clearly considers the pandemic to be over and while technically the US maintained 'strategic ambiguity' in regards to Taiwan the entire reason China has never invaded it is because they know the US would respond.
I figure this is true. In fact, I don't know why we don't recognize Taiwan as an independent nation. I guess it's in the history, which I don't know.
 
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I figure this is true. In fact, I don't know why we don't recognize Taiwan as an independent nation. I guess it's in the history, which I don't know.


What do we gain from it?

How would it outweigh a primed China taking it as a huge affront and loss of face? That would be an undeniable departure from the One China policy. I expect the response would come in the form of an immediate blockade of Taiwan. Probably another attempt at an ADIZ while they're at it.
 
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China has never invaded it is because they know the US would respond

Also if China invades it will be literally years before Taiwan's infrastructure fully recovers (if it ever does) rendering the entire operation mostly pointless.

It would be like China cutting off their own nose despite the huge hole it would leave in the middle of their face.
 
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What do we gain from it?

How would it outweigh a primed China taking it as a huge affront and loss of face? That would be an undeniable departure from the One China policy. I expect the response would come in the form of an immediate blockade of Taiwan. Probably another attempt at an ADIZ while they're at it.
OK, I see not upsetting China. But what is One China policy? Just call it Taiwan, why call it China at all? :rolleyes:
 
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I think both of those statements are widely accepted to be true. America clearly considers the pandemic to be over and while technically the US maintained 'strategic ambiguity' in regards to Taiwan the entire reason China has never invaded it is because they know the US would respond.

Fine then why is everybody in the White House walking both of these statements back?