Scientists Say That Gore Goes Too Far In 'An Inconvenient Truth'

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Interesting article. Posted for those who still think that legitimate scientists don't have issues with current GW theory.

From a Rapt Audience, a Call to Cool the Hype
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: March 13, 2007

Hollywood has a thing for Al Gore and his three-alarm film on global warming, ?An Inconvenient Truth,? which won an Academy Award for best documentary. So do many environmentalists, who praise him as a visionary, and many scientists, who laud him for raising public awareness of climate change.

But part of his scientific audience is uneasy. In talks, articles and blog entries that have appeared since his film and accompanying book came out last year, these scientists argue that some of Mr. Gore?s central points are exaggerated and erroneous. They are alarmed, some say, at what they call his alarmism.

?I don?t want to pick on Al Gore,? Don J. Easterbrook, an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University, told hundreds of experts at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America. ?But there are a lot of inaccuracies in the statements we are seeing, and we have to temper that with real data.?

Mr. Gore, in an e-mail exchange about the critics, said his work made ?the most important and salient points? about climate change, if not ?some nuances and distinctions? scientists might want. ?The degree of scientific consensus on global warming has never been stronger,? he said, adding, ?I am trying to communicate the essence of it in the lay language that I understand.?

Although Mr. Gore is not a scientist, he does rely heavily on the authority of science in ?An Inconvenient Truth,? which is why scientists are sensitive to its details and claims.

Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook, who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots.

Kevin Vranes, a climatologist at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said he sensed a growing backlash against exaggeration. While praising Mr. Gore for ?getting the message out,? Dr. Vranes questioned whether his presentations were ?overselling our certainty about knowing the future.?

Typically, the concern is not over the existence of climate change, or the idea that the human production of heat-trapping gases is partly or largely to blame for the globe?s recent warming. The question is whether Mr. Gore has gone beyond the scientific evidence.

?He?s a very polarizing figure in the science community,? said Roger A. Pielke Jr., an environmental scientist who is a colleague of Dr. Vranes at the University of Colorado center. ?Very quickly, these discussions turn from the issue to the person, and become a referendum on Mr. Gore.?

?An Inconvenient Truth,? directed by Davis Guggenheim, was released last May and took in more than $46 million, making it one of the top-grossing documentaries ever. The companion book by Mr. Gore quickly became a best seller, reaching No. 1 on the New York Times list.

Mr. Gore depicted a future in which temperatures soar, ice sheets melt, seas rise, hurricanes batter the coasts and people die en masse. ?Unless we act boldly,? he wrote, ?our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes.?

He clearly has supporters among leading scientists, who commend his popularizations and call his science basically sound. In December, he spoke in San Francisco to the American Geophysical Union and got a reception fit for a rock star from thousands of attendees.

?He has credibility in this community,? said Tim Killeen, the group?s president and director of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a top group studying climate change. ?There?s no question he?s read a lot and is able to respond in a very effective way.?

Some backers concede minor inaccuracies but see them as reasonable for a politician. James E. Hansen, an environmental scientist, director of NASA?s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a top adviser to Mr. Gore, said, ?Al does an exceptionally good job of seeing the forest for the trees,? adding that Mr. Gore often did so ?better than scientists.?

Still, Dr. Hansen said, the former vice president?s work may hold ?imperfections? and ?technical flaws.? He pointed to hurricanes, an icon for Mr. Gore, who highlights the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise. Yet this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States.

?We need to be more careful in describing the hurricane story than he is,? Dr. Hansen said of Mr. Gore. ?On the other hand,? Dr. Hansen said, ?he has the bottom line right: most storms, at least those driven by the latent heat of vaporization, will tend to be stronger, or have the potential to be stronger, in a warmer climate.?

In his e-mail message, Mr. Gore defended his work as fundamentally accurate. ?Of course,? he said, ?there will always be questions around the edges of the science, and we have to rely upon the scientific community to continue to ask and to challenge and to answer those questions.?

He said ?not every single adviser? agreed with him on every point, ?but we do agree on the fundamentals? ? that warming is real and caused by humans.

Mr. Gore added that he perceived no general backlash among scientists against his work. ?I have received a great deal of positive feedback,? he said. ?I have also received comments about items that should be changed, and I have updated the book and slideshow to reflect these comments.? He gave no specifics on which points he had revised.

He said that after 30 years of trying to communicate the dangers of global warming, ?I think that I?m finally getting a little better at it.?

While reviewers tended to praise the book and movie, vocal skeptics of global warming protested almost immediately. Richard S. Lindzen, a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, who has long expressed skepticism about dire climate predictions, accused Mr. Gore in The Wall Street Journal of ?shrill alarmism.?

Some of Mr. Gore?s centrist detractors point to a report last month by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body that studies global warming. The panel went further than ever before in saying that humans were the main cause of the globe?s warming since 1950, part of Mr. Gore?s message that few scientists dispute. But it also portrayed climate change as a slow-motion process.

It estimated that the world?s seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches ? down from earlier estimates. Mr. Gore, citing no particular time frame, envisions rises of up to 20 feet and depicts parts of New York, Florida and other heavily populated areas as sinking beneath the waves, implying, at least visually, that inundation is imminent.

Bjorn Lomborg, a statistician and political scientist in Denmark long skeptical of catastrophic global warming, said in a syndicated article that the panel, unlike Mr. Gore, had refrained from scaremongering. ?Climate change is a real and serious problem? that calls for careful analysis and sound policy, Dr. Lomborg said. ?The cacophony of screaming,? he added, ?does not help.?

So too, a report last June by the National Academies seemed to contradict Mr. Gore?s portrayal of recent temperatures as the highest in the past millennium. Instead, the report said, current highs appeared unrivaled since only 1600, the tail end of a temperature rise known as the medieval warm period.

Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama, Huntsville, said on a blog that Mr. Gore?s film did ?indeed do a pretty good job of presenting the most dire scenarios.? But the June report, he added, shows ?that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years.?

Other critics have zeroed in on Mr. Gore?s claim that the energy industry ran a ?disinformation campaign? that produced false discord on global warming. The truth, he said, was that virtually all unbiased scientists agreed that humans were the main culprits. But Benny J. Peiser, a social anthropologist in Britain who runs the Cambridge-Conference Network, or CCNet, an Internet newsletter on climate change and natural disasters, challenged the claim of scientific consensus with examples of pointed disagreement.

?Hardly a week goes by,? Dr. Peiser said, ?without a new research paper that questions part or even some basics of climate change theory,? including some reports that offer alternatives to human activity for global warming.

Geologists have documented age upon age of climate swings, and some charge Mr. Gore with ignoring such rhythms.

?Nowhere does Mr. Gore tell his audience that all of the phenomena that he describes fall within the natural range of environmental change on our planet,? Robert M. Carter, a marine geologist at James Cook University in Australia, said in a September blog. ?Nor does he present any evidence that climate during the 20th century departed discernibly from its historical pattern of constant change.?

In October, Dr. Easterbrook made similar points at the geological society meeting in Philadelphia. He hotly disputed Mr. Gore?s claim that ?our civilization has never experienced any environmental shift remotely similar to this? threatened change.

Nonsense, Dr. Easterbrook told the crowded session. He flashed a slide that showed temperature trends for the past 15,000 years. It highlighted 10 large swings, including the medieval warm period. These shifts, he said, were up to ?20 times greater than the warming in the past century.?


Getting personal, he mocked Mr. Gore?s assertion that scientists agreed on global warming except those industry had corrupted. ?I?ve never been paid a nickel by an oil company,? Dr. Easterbrook told the group. ?And I?m not a Republican.?

Biologists, too, have gotten into the act. In January, Paul Reiter, an active skeptic of global warming?s effects and director of the insects and infectious diseases unit of the Pasteur Institute in Paris, faulted Mr. Gore for his portrayal of global warming as spreading malaria.

?For 12 years, my colleagues and I have protested against the unsubstantiated claims,? Dr. Reiter wrote in The International Herald Tribune. ?We have done the studies and challenged the alarmists, but they continue to ignore the facts.?

Michael Oppenheimer, a professor of geosciences and international affairs at Princeton who advised Mr. Gore on the book and movie, said that reasonable scientists disagreed on the malaria issue and other points that the critics had raised. In general, he said, Mr. Gore had distinguished himself for integrity.

?On balance, he did quite well ? a credible and entertaining job on a difficult subject,? Dr. Oppenheimer said. ?For that, he deserves a lot of credit. If you rake him over the coals, you?re going to find people who disagree. But in terms of the big picture, he got it right.?
 

GoPackGo

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Well, with the winter we have had this year, we will have to wait and see if its an anomoly or a return to form.
 

LegendKiller

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Anybody who disagrees with Gore or those who support him are eco-terrorists and should be prosecuted to the highest extent of the law. The Global War on Anti-Manmade Global Warming (GWAMGW) are all paid by big oil and ignore the fact that the world is ending in 20 years.

 

brandonbull

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Gee, I wonder why Al "Carbon Neutral" Gore would promote and sell a movie about global warming knowing that it is filled with half-truths? Could him being the chairman of a carbon credit company have anything to do with it? Naahhhhh!!! The inventer of the innerweb could never do something like that.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Anybody who disagrees with Gore or those who support him are eco-terrorists and should be prosecuted to the highest extent of the law. The Global War on Anti-Manmade Global Warming (GWAMGW) are all paid by big oil and ignore the fact that the world is ending in 20 years.

Repent brotha repent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Gee, I wonder why Al "Carbon Neutral" Gore would promote and sell a movie about global warming knowing that it is filled with half-truths? Could him being the chairman of a carbon credit company have anything to do with it? Naahhhhh!!! The inventer of the innerweb could never do something like that.

Considering he's been a real supporter of the environment for well over 30 years gives him credibility in my book. I also have no problem with him doing something good and making money off of it.
 

JD50

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hhmm...spreading lies and misinformation is not "doing something good"....
 

GDaddy

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Originally posted by: JD50
hhmm...spreading lies and misinformation is not "doing something good"....

Specially when it directly lines his pockets.

 

DealMonkey

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You know what's interesting? I could bold every other line of the OP's article and it would show that Gore got the science fundamentally correct.
 

DealMonkey

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Here you go:

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Interesting article. Posted for those who still think that legitimate scientists don't have issues with current GW theory.

From a Rapt Audience, a Call to Cool the Hype
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: March 13, 2007

Hollywood has a thing for Al Gore and his three-alarm film on global warming, ?An Inconvenient Truth,? which won an Academy Award for best documentary. So do many environmentalists, who praise him as a visionary, and many scientists, who laud him for raising public awareness of climate change.

But part of his scientific audience is uneasy. In talks, articles and blog entries that have appeared since his film and accompanying book came out last year, these scientists argue that some of Mr. Gore?s central points are exaggerated and erroneous. They are alarmed, some say, at what they call his alarmism.

?I don?t want to pick on Al Gore,? Don J. Easterbrook, an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University, told hundreds of experts at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America. ?But there are a lot of inaccuracies in the statements we are seeing, and we have to temper that with real data.?

Mr. Gore, in an e-mail exchange about the critics, said his work made ?the most important and salient points? about climate change, if not ?some nuances and distinctions? scientists might want. ?The degree of scientific consensus on global warming has never been stronger,? he said, adding, ?I am trying to communicate the essence of it in the lay language that I understand.?

Although Mr. Gore is not a scientist, he does rely heavily on the authority of science in ?An Inconvenient Truth,? which is why scientists are sensitive to its details and claims.

Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook, who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots.

Kevin Vranes, a climatologist at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said he sensed a growing backlash against exaggeration. While praising Mr. Gore for ?getting the message out,? Dr. Vranes questioned whether his presentations were ?overselling our certainty about knowing the future.?

Typically, the concern is not over the existence of climate change, or the idea that the human production of heat-trapping gases is partly or largely to blame for the globe?s recent warming. The question is whether Mr. Gore has gone beyond the scientific evidence.

?He?s a very polarizing figure in the science community,? said Roger A. Pielke Jr., an environmental scientist who is a colleague of Dr. Vranes at the University of Colorado center. ?Very quickly, these discussions turn from the issue to the person, and become a referendum on Mr. Gore.?

?An Inconvenient Truth,? directed by Davis Guggenheim, was released last May and took in more than $46 million, making it one of the top-grossing documentaries ever. The companion book by Mr. Gore quickly became a best seller, reaching No. 1 on the New York Times list.

Mr. Gore depicted a future in which temperatures soar, ice sheets melt, seas rise, hurricanes batter the coasts and people die en masse. ?Unless we act boldly,? he wrote, ?our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes.?

He clearly has supporters among leading scientists, who commend his popularizations and call his science basically sound. In December, he spoke in San Francisco to the American Geophysical Union and got a reception fit for a rock star from thousands of attendees.

?He has credibility in this community,? said Tim Killeen, the group?s president and director of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a top group studying climate change. ?There?s no question he?s read a lot and is able to respond in a very effective way.?

Some backers concede minor inaccuracies but see them as reasonable for a politician. James E. Hansen, an environmental scientist, director of NASA?s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a top adviser to Mr. Gore, said, ?Al does an exceptionally good job of seeing the forest for the trees,? adding that Mr. Gore often did so ?better than scientists.?

Still, Dr. Hansen said, the former vice president?s work may hold ?imperfections? and ?technical flaws.? He pointed to hurricanes, an icon for Mr. Gore, who highlights the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise. Yet this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States.

?We need to be more careful in describing the hurricane story than he is,? Dr. Hansen said of Mr. Gore. ?On the other hand,? Dr. Hansen said, ?he has the bottom line right: most storms, at least those driven by the latent heat of vaporization, will tend to be stronger, or have the potential to be stronger, in a warmer climate.?

In his e-mail message, Mr. Gore defended his work as fundamentally accurate. ?Of course,? he said, ?there will always be questions around the edges of the science, and we have to rely upon the scientific community to continue to ask and to challenge and to answer those questions.?

He said ?not every single adviser? agreed with him on every point, ?but we do agree on the fundamentals? ? that warming is real and caused by humans.

Mr. Gore added that he perceived no general backlash among scientists against his work. ?I have received a great deal of positive feedback,? he said. ?I have also received comments about items that should be changed, and I have updated the book and slideshow to reflect these comments.? He gave no specifics on which points he had revised.

He said that after 30 years of trying to communicate the dangers of global warming, ?I think that I?m finally getting a little better at it.?

While reviewers tended to praise the book and movie, vocal skeptics of global warming protested almost immediately. Richard S. Lindzen, a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, who has long expressed skepticism about dire climate predictions, accused Mr. Gore in The Wall Street Journal of ?shrill alarmism.?

Some of Mr. Gore?s centrist detractors point to a report last month by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body that studies global warming. The panel went further than ever before in saying that humans were the main cause of the globe?s warming since 1950, part of Mr. Gore?s message that few scientists dispute. But it also portrayed climate change as a slow-motion process.

It estimated that the world?s seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches ? down from earlier estimates. Mr. Gore, citing no particular time frame, envisions rises of up to 20 feet and depicts parts of New York, Florida and other heavily populated areas as sinking beneath the waves, implying, at least visually, that inundation is imminent.

Bjorn Lomborg, a statistician and political scientist in Denmark long skeptical of catastrophic global warming, said in a syndicated article that the panel, unlike Mr. Gore, had refrained from scaremongering. ?Climate change is a real and serious problem? that calls for careful analysis and sound policy, Dr. Lomborg said. ?The cacophony of screaming,? he added, ?does not help.?

So too, a report last June by the National Academies seemed to contradict Mr. Gore?s portrayal of recent temperatures as the highest in the past millennium. Instead, the report said, current highs appeared unrivaled since only 1600, the tail end of a temperature rise known as the medieval warm period.

Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama, Huntsville, said on a blog that Mr. Gore?s film did ?indeed do a pretty good job of presenting the most dire scenarios.? But the June report, he added, shows ?that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years.?

Other critics have zeroed in on Mr. Gore?s claim that the energy industry ran a ?disinformation campaign? that produced false discord on global warming. The truth, he said, was that virtually all unbiased scientists agreed that humans were the main culprits. But Benny J. Peiser, a social anthropologist in Britain who runs the Cambridge-Conference Network, or CCNet, an Internet newsletter on climate change and natural disasters, challenged the claim of scientific consensus with examples of pointed disagreement.

?Hardly a week goes by,? Dr. Peiser said, ?without a new research paper that questions part or even some basics of climate change theory,? including some reports that offer alternatives to human activity for global warming.

Geologists have documented age upon age of climate swings, and some charge Mr. Gore with ignoring such rhythms.

?Nowhere does Mr. Gore tell his audience that all of the phenomena that he describes fall within the natural range of environmental change on our planet,? Robert M. Carter, a marine geologist at James Cook University in Australia, said in a September blog. ?Nor does he present any evidence that climate during the 20th century departed discernibly from its historical pattern of constant change.?

In October, Dr. Easterbrook made similar points at the geological society meeting in Philadelphia. He hotly disputed Mr. Gore?s claim that ?our civilization has never experienced any environmental shift remotely similar to this? threatened change.

Nonsense, Dr. Easterbrook told the crowded session. He flashed a slide that showed temperature trends for the past 15,000 years. It highlighted 10 large swings, including the medieval warm period. These shifts, he said, were up to ?20 times greater than the warming in the past century.?

Getting personal, he mocked Mr. Gore?s assertion that scientists agreed on global warming except those industry had corrupted. ?I?ve never been paid a nickel by an oil company,? Dr. Easterbrook told the group. ?And I?m not a Republican.?

Biologists, too, have gotten into the act. In January, Paul Reiter, an active skeptic of global warming?s effects and director of the insects and infectious diseases unit of the Pasteur Institute in Paris, faulted Mr. Gore for his portrayal of global warming as spreading malaria.

?For 12 years, my colleagues and I have protested against the unsubstantiated claims,? Dr. Reiter wrote in The International Herald Tribune. ?We have done the studies and challenged the alarmists, but they continue to ignore the facts.?

Michael Oppenheimer, a professor of geosciences and international affairs at Princeton who advised Mr. Gore on the book and movie, said that reasonable scientists disagreed on the malaria issue and other points that the critics had raised. In general, he said, Mr. Gore had distinguished himself for integrity.

?On balance, he did quite well ? a credible and entertaining job on a difficult subject,? Dr. Oppenheimer said. ?For that, he deserves a lot of credit. If you rake him over the coals, you?re going to find people who disagree. But in terms of the big picture, he got it right.?

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You know what's interesting? I could bold every other line of the OP's article and it would show that Gore got the science fundamentally correct.

Here, have at it...

"Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook, who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots.

Kevin Vranes, a climatologist at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said he sensed a growing backlash against exaggeration. While praising Mr. Gore for ?getting the message out,? Dr. Vranes questioned whether his presentations were ?overselling our certainty about knowing the future.?

Typically, the concern is not over the existence of climate change, or the idea that the human production of heat-trapping gases is partly or largely to blame for the globe?s recent warming. The question is whether Mr. Gore has gone beyond the scientific evidence"

 

CycloWizard

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He presented some facts in the movie. He showed lots of pictures, which are facts. Where he dropped the ball was trying to tie all of the pictures of dramatic change back to man-made climate change. Several of the pictures are from environmental engineering textbooks, such as the lake in Russia (IIRC?). Its level has gone down, down, down not because of climate change but because of an increased use of its water for irrigation purposes. This is what really bothered me about the film - that he put forth all of these dramatic images, then said that they are all caused by one thing and only one thing. He ruled out natural climate variations and even other man-made causes before he even started to make the movie. This is a great approach if you're an alarmist, and may serve the purpose of getting people to listen and try to do something about it, but it also means that it's not a true documentary.
 

DealMonkey

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I will give you the fact that Gore exaggerates the effects of GW. Sadly, in today's media-soaked culture where we're subjected to distractions from every direction, plain old boring science has to be trumped up a bit for mass consumption. Witness the Discovery Channel and their "Asteroids of Doom: Killer Asteroids Take Aim on Earth" programming and you'll start to see my point. Is it right? Not really, but it is getting people to pay attention to science and that's worth something.
 

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Spreading lies and mis-information about reality that got America and the world in trouble remind me of someone else.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: babylon5
Spreading lies and mis-information about reality that got America and the world in trouble remind me of someone else.


What?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Gee, I wonder why Al "Carbon Neutral" Gore would promote and sell a movie about global warming knowing that it is filled with half-truths? Could him being the chairman of a carbon credit company have anything to do with it? Naahhhhh!!! The inventer of the innerweb could never do something like that.
Thanks for a perfect example of know nothing, say nothing distractions and name calling from from those with a vested financial interest in continuing to pollute the planet and from those who are stupid enough to buy into the fantay that denying the impact of man made pollution makes it not so.

Good planets are hard to find. If you don't have a solution to the problem, STFU until you can provide one or you can give us an alternate planet to live on when we've broken this one.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Gee, I wonder why Al "Carbon Neutral" Gore would promote and sell a movie about global warming knowing that it is filled with half-truths? Could him being the chairman of a carbon credit company have anything to do with it? Naahhhhh!!! The inventer of the innerweb could never do something like that.
Thanks for a perfect example of know nothing, say nothing distractions and name calling from from those with a vested financial interest in continuing to pollute the planet and from those who are stupid enough to buy into the fantay that denying the impact of man made pollution makes it not so.

Good planets are hard to find. If you don't have a solution to the problem, STFU until you can provide one or you can give us an alternate planet to live on when we've broken this one.

lol, the irony, Brandonbull just pointed out to you why Al Gore has a vested financial interest in selling the lies and misinformation that he does...

 

Jaskalas

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I don?t believe we need a religion of GW alarmists when we?re going to switch energy regardless of them. I can?t speak for the others, but I like the idea of cleaner fuels. I will not, however, buy into the propaganda spouted about ice melting as if it?s somehow a new phenomena.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I don?t believe we need a religion of GW alarmists when we?re going to switch energy regardless of them. I can?t speak for the others, but I like the idea of cleaner fuels. I will not, however, buy into the propaganda spouted about ice melting as if it?s somehow a new phenomena.

:thumbsup:
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Gee, I wonder why Al "Carbon Neutral" Gore would promote and sell a movie about global warming knowing that it is filled with half-truths? Could him being the chairman of a carbon credit company have anything to do with it? Naahhhhh!!! The inventer of the innerweb could never do something like that.
Thanks for a perfect example of know nothing, say nothing distractions and name calling from from those with a vested financial interest in continuing to pollute the planet and from those who are stupid enough to buy into the fantay that denying the impact of man made pollution makes it not so.

Good planets are hard to find. If you don't have a solution to the problem, STFU until you can provide one or you can give us an alternate planet to live on when we've broken this one.

lol, the irony, Brandonbull just pointed out to you why Al Gore has a vested financial interest in selling the lies and misinformation that he does...


It is funny.
 

dmcowen674

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According to the Swindle video produced by the right and oil barons we should buy more SUV's and pump as much co2 into the air as possible to help with a cool down to offset the sun doing all the melting.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
lol, the irony, Brandonbull just pointed out to you why Al Gore has a vested financial interest in selling the lies and misinformation that he does...
There's no irony, at all. I don't see any conflict between advocating action to counter pollution and global warming and investing in businesses that provide means to further that end. :thumbsup: :cool: :thumbsup:

Since when is the concept of "doing well by doing good" any kind of crime? :roll:
 

ericlp

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I don't know about you Dave...

I got my order in for a Hummer.. The only vehicle that is not required to report City/Hwy MPG...

Not only that if you ask GM what kind of millage it gets they will tell you they don't even know! Hahaha

Now, you'd think for a vehicle that gets such piss poor MPG would be on america's #1 gas guzzler tax list? Right? Huh, what? It's not? Oh yeah, Trucks and SUVs are exempt! hahaha, Who the hell came up with these rules???

Not only that but if it's over a certain weight you may be able to qualify for a tax brake! YeeeHa!!!!!!! Your gonna need it to afford the gas!

Apparently, Gore has not gone far enough... Some folks are still clueless that the CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere via Coal, Gas fired power generation, Cars, Trucks, Chainsaws, Lawn Mowers, Air planes, Trains, Ships... etc...etc.... Is not having any effect at all!

Meanwhile ... Let's cut down some more trees to build all those fancy new houses... Seen one tree seen em all right?

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
lol, the irony, Brandonbull just pointed out to you why Al Gore has a vested financial interest in selling the lies and misinformation that he does...
There's no irony, at all. I don't see any conflict between advocating action to counter pollution and global warming and investing in businesses that provide means to further that end. :thumbsup: :cool: :thumbsup:

Since when is the concept of "doing well by doing good" any kind of crime? :roll:

I know that you cannot see the conflict in that, you are obviously blinded by your new found religion. You are quick to point out the connection between Haliburton and Cheney, and quick to dismiss the connection between Al Gores global warming scare tactics and the direct profit that he makes off of it. Personally, I could care less, I just find your hypocrisy funny.

 

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Harvey
Since when is the concept of "doing well by doing good" any kind of crime? :roll:

I know that you cannot see the conflict in that, you are obviously blinded by your new found religion. You are quick to point out the connection between Haliburton and Cheney, and quick to dismiss the connection between Al Gores global warming scare tactics and the direct profit that he makes off of it. Personally, I could care less, I just find your hypocrisy funny.
Gore's investments the business of stopping global calamities. Cheney and Halliburton's businesses are causing them and defrauding off the nation with their attrocities. If you can't see the difference

I know Cheney and Halliburton are raking it in hand over fist, but if you really think their criminality amounts to "doing well by doing good," you need to spend more time in your remedial reading classes and less time trying to throw mud on the good works of those who are actually walking the walk. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown: