Scientists have created the sixth known form of matter! It could provide a new way to generate electricity.

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Scientists have created a new form of matter saying it could provide a new way to generate electricity.
The fermionic condensate is a cloud of cold potassium atoms forced into a state where they behave strangely.

The new matter is the sixth known form of matter after solids, liquids, gasses, plasma and a Bose-Einstein condensate, created only in 1995.

"What we've done is create this new exotic form of matter," says Deborah Jin of the University of Colorado.

Strange brew

To make the condensate the researchers cooled potassium gas to a billionth of a degree above absolute zero - the temperature at which matter stops moving.

They confined the gas in a vacuum chamber and used magnetic fields and laser light to manipulate the potassium atoms into pairing up and forming the fermionic condensate.

Jin pointed out that her team worked with a supercooled gas, which provides little opportunity for everyday application. But the way the potassium atoms acted suggested there should be a way to turn it into a room-temperature solid.

It could be a step closer to an everyday, usable superconductor - a material that conducts electricity without losing any of its energy.

"If you had a superconductor you could transmit electricity with no losses," Jin said.

"Right now something like 10% of all electricity we produce in the United States is lost. It heats up wires. It doesn't do anybody any good."

Superconductors could allow for the development of magnetically levitated trains. Free of friction they could glide along at high speeds using a fraction of the energy trains now use.
 

Spoooon

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Saw that yesterday. Pretty interesting. Imagine being able to tell people you have a "genius" grant. :D

I think the CNN article was better. Wait for it in Scientific American. ;)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Very cool, no pun intended.

The article title is wrong though. It does not generate electricity. It superconducts it.

Also I am wondering what the density of a such a condensate would be. We looking at nucleonic specific gravities? If so, a teaspoonful of this stuff would weigh more than a mountain. I cant see how that would work. Then again I am not an expert in this field.
 

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I don't know how it would generate electricity, but it sure would help transporting/using electricity in a more efficient way.
 

MrDudeMan

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it definitely cant generate electricity. the whole point of a superconductor is to create a frictionless medium. superconducting fluids have been around for quite some time. every few months they find a way to bring them closer to room temperature. if at some point they are able to exist at above the 75k range (currently where the warmest one will remain a superconductor) it could be used for a number of things. also, it would be a huge waste of money to create enough of it to make powerlines out of this even if it were able to be formed and used in such a manor.
 

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A question for you physicists/knowledgeable folk:

At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

And what about the Bose-Einstein condensate?

Okay that's all. :D


Oh...and don't we already have magnetically-levitated trains? In that article they seem to act as if such a thing doesn't exist.
 

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Originally posted by: opticalmace
A question for you physicists/knowledge folk:

At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

And what about the Bose-Einstein condensate?

Okay that's all. :D


Oh...and don't we already have magnetically-levitated trains? In that article they seem to act as if such a thing doesn't exist.

Same question and same comment at the end :D
 

matt426malm

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Originally posted by: MagicianBdotCom
Originally posted by: opticalmace
A question for you physicists/knowledge folk:

At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

And what about the Bose-Einstein condensate?

Okay that's all. :D


Oh...and don't we already have magnetically-levitated trains? In that article they seem to act as if such a thing doesn't exist.

Same question and same comment at the end :D

Yes, we do however it takes a lot of cooling to get rid of all the heat that comes off the magnets levetating the train. A supercunducter generates no heat with electricty going through the wire there is no resistance. Currently we only have superconducters that exist at cold tempuratures and also require elaborate cooling to keep them superconducting. The goal is a room temperature superconducter that would mean no heat comes off your proccessor, train magnets, poewerlines and so on the possiblities are endless, all without cooling.

Bose-einstein condenseates have to do with weird forms of matter this new form of matter with neutrons and protons.
 

MrDudeMan

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the maglev would benefit greatly from a superconductor. do some research and you will see how it gets its power. it will make sense in an instant.

superconducting fluids can not be contained in any sort of open container. you can pour it in a glass and it will go up the sides and spill over the top, even if it is poured very slowly. there is ZERO surface tension to keep it in the glass. i am not entirely sure how that principle works, but i know for a fact that is what happens. it is very cool to see.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: matt426malm
Originally posted by: MagicianBdotCom
Originally posted by: opticalmace
A question for you physicists/knowledge folk:

At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

And what about the Bose-Einstein condensate?

Okay that's all. :D


Oh...and don't we already have magnetically-levitated trains? In that article they seem to act as if such a thing doesn't exist.

Same question and same comment at the end :D

Yes, we do however it takes a lot of cooling to get rid of all the heat that comes off the magnets levetating the train. A supercunducter generates no heat with electricty going through the wire there is no resistance. Currently we only have superconducters that exist at cold tempuratures and also require elaborate cooling to keep them superconducting. The goal is a room temperature superconducter that would mean no heat comes off your proccessor, train magnets, poewerlines and so on the possiblities are endless.

bah! had to give it away ;)

yes, making a CPU out of a SC would be a wet dream for most nerds
 

matt426malm

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: matt426malm
Originally posted by: MagicianBdotCom
Originally posted by: opticalmace
A question for you physicists/knowledge folk:

At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

And what about the Bose-Einstein condensate?

Okay that's all. :D


Oh...and don't we already have magnetically-levitated trains? In that article they seem to act as if such a thing doesn't exist.

Same question and same comment at the end :D

Yes, we do however it takes a lot of cooling to get rid of all the heat that comes off the magnets levetating the train. A supercunducter generates no heat with electricty going through the wire there is no resistance. Currently we only have superconducters that exist at cold tempuratures and also require elaborate cooling to keep them superconducting. The goal is a room temperature superconducter that would mean no heat comes off your proccessor, train magnets, poewerlines and so on the possiblities are endless.

bah! had to give it away ;)

yes, making a CPU out of a SC would be a wet dream for most nerds


overclock like a mofo :)

anybody ever read "hacking matter"? Artificial atoms composed of corralled manipulated electrons? Requires brush up on some chemistry but that book is pretty sweet.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: opticalmace
At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

I'm not sure, but I think some opinion settles in here. For example, some scientists consider plasma a form of gas, not its own form of matter.
 

Analog

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: opticalmace
At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

I'm not sure, but I think some opinion settles in here. For example, some scientists consider plasma a form of gas, not its own form of matter.

There must be a definition somewhere...
 

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So we would be able to have stone cold, high end processors, truly silent. TV's and monitors that gave out no heat. No chance of melting power leads?
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: opticalmace
At what point is something considered to be a new form of matter?
I'm not so sure why this is so special.

I'm not sure, but I think some opinion settles in here. For example, some scientists consider plasma a form of gas, not its own form of matter.

There must be a definition somewhere...

I'm no expert, but I think they believe that plasma is an ionized gas. So I guess with that definition, some consider it its own matter, some still consider it a gas.