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rhino56

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So as i am freezing this morning i was thinking of ways to generate heat, which led me to think of the extreme situations like on the show "i shouldn't be alive" where people get trapped in snowstorms, mountain climbing and get frozen.

So i thought wouldn't flexall 454 be something you could use to keep from getting frost bite? I don't want to try it but seems like it would work. would it help?
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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If you got a partner take of all your clothers. one lie on the top of the other and wrap yourself up with whatever you have. Other thing is look for those big round slopes ants build. If you can make it hollow you can cook a potato in it.
A little girl called Racheltjie De Beer did it when she and her brother got lost. She placed him in one while she covered the entrance. She died saving her brothers life. True story look it up
 

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Your body shuts down blood flow to the extremities to keep your core temp up. Any situation in which you'd have massive frostbite, you'd probably be dead without the circulation shutting down.
 

rhino56

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But if not fexall isn't there some chemical that when exposed to air generates heat? couldn't this be made into a lotion you could use in those extreme situations?
the story of Racheltjie De Beer says it is probably fictitious
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Other survival tips is that you can eat your dead mates as well. Dont cook the meat as it will lose its nutrients you need. Dehydration is another factor and make sure you take fluids in regularly.
Another tip is to stay away from snowstorms and climbing mountains. Normally when you try the latter you meet the first. Theres nothing up there anyway other than snow and some Kiwi flag. Take the Cabel Car to the top like most tourist.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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But if not fexall isn't there some chemical that when exposed to air generates heat? couldn't this be made into a lotion you could use in those extreme situations?
the story of Racheltjie De Beer says it is probably fictitious

fictitious story dating back to 1843. Thats a insult to my heritage really. Its like me saying Paul Revere was fictitious.

About a hundred years ago the De Beer family went to live in a little frontier house in the foothills of the Drakensberg mountains where the winters are white and deathly cold. Herman de Beer was a poor farmer with just a few cows, some sheep and goats. He had two children. The girl, Rachel, was small for her years and slender, but she was hard-working and a great help to her parents.

The De Beers had not been living in the little hartbeeshuis in the foothills for long when one afternoon at the onset of winter, they saw great clouds massing over the mountains. Soon a great wind came howling from the heights, bringing a black mantle of storm clouds in its wake. Now, the De Beers had not yet wintered there, but neighbours had told them that neither man nor beast could survive a Drakensberg snowstorm without shelter.

So, as the black clouds sank over them and the wind lashed the long grasses, Herman de Beer called to his labourers and family to run and bring the animals to the shelter of the Kraal. Rachel helped to carry the lambs into the warm house and then ran out to watch the storm.

It was almost dark and driving sleet stuck to her face. Just as her father was closing the kraal he noticed a calf was missing. At his shout everyone ran into the failing darkness to look for it. Rachel's mother hesitated. She did not want to leave her small son in the house alone. He was barely five years old. Let him go with Rachel, she'd keep him safe.

Rachel took him by the hand. "We won't go far, Kleinboet," she said.

They ran down the hill through the hissing grasses while the thunder in the mountains and the scream of the wind broke loose upon the world. Snow whirled around them and the wind turned the rain to ice.

They ran, calling the lost calf, straining their ears for and answering bleat. But only the dark bushes flapped at them and the falling snow wiped out all the familiar landmarks that could have let them home. They had lost their way.

Rachel stood still then and knelt down beside Kleinboet. He was crying and his body trembled with cold. His icy hands were too stiff to hold hers any more, his dark eyes huge with fright. Rachel took off her jacket and wrapped it round him and then picked him up and began to stagger uphill in the direction she thought home might lie. Still there was no flickering light ahead and Kleinboet cried from the cold so she took off her bonnet and wrapped it round his head. But the driving sleet soaked him to the skin and so again Rachel stopped and took off her dress, binding it tightly about him.

For a while his crying stopped and Rachel stumbled on, dazed with cold. She knew now that they would not find the little house. If only, somewhere... Then she stumbled on an antheap, half hidden by snow. It made her think of the back yard in which Mother baked her bread. Now, if only she could get Kleinboet into the antheap, then surely she could keep him warm?

Quickly she laid him down and scratched with her numb fingers at the antheap. After a while she found a stone. Digging and shoveling she began to carve out a hollow and she told Kleinboet to scrape away the loose earth. Her arms ached and she no longer felt her frozen hands but she went on hacking until there was a little cave there, just big enough to shelter Kleinboet from the piercing wind.

She was shaking now as she took off even her shirt and put it on him. Then she pushed him into the hollow antheap and lay against him, sheltering him from the wind's cold fingers with her body.

By now, away on their ridge, Herman de Beer and his wife were no longer looking for the calf but calling their lost children. With blankets under their arms and lanterns held high, Herman and his labourers stumbled through the snowy veld shouting for Rachel and Kleinboet, firing shots. But in vain. It was not until a red dawn bled slowly across the white mountains that a farm hand came upon the antheap. Beside it, half-covered in snow, lay the naked body of Rachel.

Her body, as white as the snow upon it, covered the entrance to the hollow antheap and there, curled up, stunned with cold, but alive, was Kleinboet.

No wonder that one of the most loved and remembered names we know is that of Rachel de Beer, who at twelve had the courage and devotion to give her own life so that her brother might live.
Thats the story. Its not a long story nor a book. Its a true story
 
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rhino56

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i wouldn't like a story like that about my heritage, it is bad parenting.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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i wouldn't like a story like that about my heritage, it is bad parenting.

Whats wrong with it?
That story and two others we did in primary school. The other two were Dick King and Jock Of The Bushveldt (the one about the bloke and his heroic dog).
I fail to see how a story of bravery is bad parenting? She's a hero. Gave up her own life for her brother at the age of 12. Same as the two soldiers in Somalia gave up their own when they were dropped to protect the injured ones from the chopper crash.

Those are not stories you must hide from your children.
 

IndyColtsFan

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If you got a partner take of all your clothers. one lie on the top of the other and wrap yourself up with whatever you have. Other thing is look for those big round slopes ants build. If you can make it hollow you can cook a potato in it.

A little girl called Racheltjie De Beer did it when she and her brother got lost. She placed him in one while she covered the entrance. She died saving her brothers life. True story look it up

Made up to sell more diamonds?

Rachel de Beer (1831–1843) (sometimes known by the diminutive form, Racheltjie) is a (probably) fictitious Afrikaner heroine,[1] who gave her life in order to save that of her brother. She was the daughter of George Stephanus de Beer (b. 1794).[2]

In the very comprehensive genealogical work “The De Beer Family – Three centuries in South Africa”[4] several pages are devoted to the Rachel de Beer story, looking at all the possibilities from the available genealogical data.
Although record keeping around the supposed time of the incident was certainly not complete, enough inconsistencies and ambiguities are highlighted to put serious doubt as to the existence of Rachel de Beer at the time mentioned.
It turns out that there was a De Beer family that fits the names and ages as mentioned in the original story quite closely. However, they lived 60 years later. If the incident happened in 1903 instead of 1843, this family would fit the facts quite nicely. It would also better explain why there is no mention of this story before the early 1900s.
Unfortunately by the 3rd edition of the work[5] more information has come to light to also eliminate this last possible scenario. The Rachel de Beer in this instance has been confirmed to have lived well into adulthood.
Based on this research it seems unlikely that the story of Rachel de Beer is factual.
 

MotF Bane

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fictitious story dating back to 1843. Thats a insult to my heritage really. Its like me saying Paul Revere was fictitious.


Thats the story. Its not a long story nor a book. Its a true story

It's very likely fictional. No need to get offended by it; there's factual proof of Paul Revere, there isn't any for De Beer.
 

rhino56

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Whats wrong with it?
That story and two others we did in primary school. The other two were Dick King and Jock Of The Bushveldt (the one about the bloke and his heroic dog).
I fail to see how a story of bravery is bad parenting? She's a hero. Gave up her own life for her brother at the age of 12. Same as the two soldiers in Somalia gave up their own when they were dropped to protect the injured ones from the chopper crash.

Those are not stories you must hide from your children.

It is a story about bravery of a young girl, but like many things people teach children not all are true. But true or not it doesn't really matter, if it has affected your life in a positive way than it is a good thing. Not trying to piss you off or insult your heritage in anyway. I was just reporting back what i found out about the story online.

I have a daughter, if a storm is coming i sure wouldn't let her go looking for any animal of mine. But back in the 1800's things were much different as to what was safe for children.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Made up to sell more diamonds?

That one who wrote that wiki is wrong. I will rectify it soon.

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The fable goes that in the winter months of 1843 Rachel was part of a trek from the Orange Free State to the south-eastern Transvaal.
Wrong. The story I posted is a direct translation to english from Afrikaans

Its a Afrikaans story from the Voortrekker days. Of course it wont be documented as none of them can barely write or read. The only way it got on paper was by telling it over from generation to generation. Its a story in our culture.

Afrikaner heroine
Wrong as well. She was a Voortrekker.

No one profited from that story as it was written on a piece of paper and was read to us in Grade 2/Std 1.

For the daimonds. No that you will get in Kimberly and De Beers Group founded by Cecil Rhodes, owns jewelry stores all over. They ran a Diamond monopoly from the 1900 till 2000/2001 world wide. They have rooms filled with daimonds and they just flooded the market if someone want to sell outside their channels. Microsoft eat your hear out.

Other contributions that they made was leaving a big hole in a City called Kimberly. Thats the main tourist attraction lol otherwise theres fuck all going on there
 

MotF Bane

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That one who wrote that wiki is wrong. I will rectify it soon. Y Quote: ou are currently unable to edit pages on Wikipedia. You can still read pages, but cannot edit, change, or create them. Editing from your IP address or IP address range has been disabled on all wikis by Pathoschild (meta.wikimedia.org). The reason given was "web proxy". To request unblock, visit your talk page and add the text {{unblock|global block — REASON}}. Replace "REASON" with the reason for requesting unblock. Additionally, you may appeal the global block at Steward requests/Global. The block expires on 13 March 2012 at 01:56.

Evidently, you won't be editing it all that soon, and you're blocked from doing so for a reason. There is nothing to rectify, you would only be sabotaging, and I assure you your edits will not last.
 

Fritzo

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Here's a trick I learned back in college:

Your body gets most of it's sensory information about the environment from your hands. If you're feeling cold, go to the bathroom and run your hands under hot water for a minute or so. This will fool your body into feeling warmer.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Evidently, you won't be editing it all that soon, and you're blocked from doing so for a reason. There is nothing to rectify, you would only be sabotaging, and I assure you your edits will not last.

No the connectivity service IP is blocked not mine.
76.73.45.34 that belongs to Your-freedom client I use. Anyone can see its poorly written by someone who did not do his research properly.

In Natal the Afrikaners who had migrated during the Great Trek were confronted with the Zulu kingdom. On December 16, 1838, an important battle between the Afrikaners and the Zulu, the Battle of Blood River, led to the defeat of the Zulu and the establishment of the Republic of Natalia by 1840. The battle remains of symbolic importance to many Afrikaners because their ancestors were said to have made a covenant with God for victory.

After the British declared the coastal region of Natal a crown colony in 1843 and annexed it to the Cape Colony in 1845, most of the Afrikaners left and headed west and north where they joined other Voortrekkers (Afrikaans for “pioneers”). They settled inland, north of the Orange River, and further north in the Transvaal region (north of the Vaal River). The governor of the Cape Colony, Sir Harry Smith, gained control of the region between the Orange and Vaal rivers in 1848, and the territory was renamed the Orange River Sovereignty. Smith’s move was overturned by the British government, however. The British government recognized the independence of the Transvaal territories in 1852 at the Sand River Convention, and recognized the former Orange River Sovereignty as the Orange Free State in 1854 at the Bloemfontein Convention./QUOTE]
Proofs location of the story

The Voortrekkers were Dutch-descent farmers who took part in the "Great Trek" after the British took over the Cape in the early 1800s and founded the two independent "Boer Republics," namely the Transvaal and Free State.) After the Anglo-Boer War, which the Boers lost, the British formed the Union of South Africa and the "Boers" started calling themselves "Afrikaners.

1843 the term Afrikaner wasnt use it was Voortrekker. Clearly the one who wrote it knows nothing of our culture nor is Afrikaans as the Afrikaner term used by the British gave it away.

They even named a school after her
http://lsracheldebeer.co.za/kontak.html

Correction it was translated pathetic heres the original
http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racheltjie_de_Beer
 
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