Schwarzenegger orders minimum wage for state workers - Chiang won't comply

olds

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I'll be surprised if it really happens but it will be interesting to see this play out.

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/01/2864148/schwarzenegger-orders-minimum.html

The Schwarzenegger administration today ordered State Controller John Chiang to reduce state worker pay for July to the federal minimum allowed by law -- $7.25 an hour for most state workers.

The instructions from the Department of Personnel Administration exclude roughly 37,000 state workers in six bargaining units that recently came to tentative labor agreements with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Some employees, such as doctors and lawyers, would get no pay because federal exempts them from any minimum wage requirement. Managers, supervisors and others who don't get paid for working more than 40 hours per week would receive $455 per week until a budget deal got done.

Schwarzenegger has invoked a 2003 state Supreme Court decision as grounds for the move. That ruling, White v. Davis, held that without a budget that appropriates money for state payroll, employee wages can be withheld to the federal minimum. That condition exists today, which is the start of the 2010-11 fiscal year and the state is without a budget. The back pay would be paid once a budget is enacted.

The administration issued similar instructions to Chiang during a budget impasse in 2008. The controller refused to comply over concerns that doing so would violate federal law. He also asserted that the state's decades-old computerized payroll system couldn't handle the complexities of changing the pay for 240,000 state workers affected by the governor's instruction.

Calls to the Controller's office seeking comment were not immediately returned.

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Chiang won't comply

http://sco.ca.gov/eo_pressrel_controller_statement_on_minimum_wage_ruling.html

SACRAMENTO – The following statement was issued by the Controller in response to the Third District Court of Appeal’s ruling regarding the Governor’s authority to reduce state employee salaries to the minimum wage absent a budget:

“As expected, today’s ruling by the Third District Court of Appeal restates the Supreme Court’s 2003 ruling in White v. Davis, but goes several steps further by saying my office could be excused from reducing the salaries of some 250,000 employees to minimum wage if it is practically infeasible to do so without violating federal labor laws and the State Constitution.

“Like the Supreme Court in White, the appellate court declined to resolve the feasibility issue.

“This is not a simple software problem. Reducing pay and then restoring it in a timely manner once a budget is enacted cannot be done without gross violations of law unless and until the State completes its overhaul of the state payroll system and payroll laws are changed.

“I will move quickly to ask the courts to definitively resolve the issue of whether our current payroll system is capable of complying with the minimum wage order in a way that protects taxpayers from billions of dollars in fines and penalties.”



http://sco.ca.gov/Files-EO/07-02-10lettertoDPA.pdf
 
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olds

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That was speculation.
He just issued the order today.

Mods will lock it if they see fit.
 
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bfdd

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To bad he pussed out years ago making teachers liable for their shitty classes. Had he of done that I would probably like him, but he pussed out and caved to the teachers union.
 

bfdd

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I wouldnt say that. Although my shitty state isnt too far behind

We have the shittier government, but the way better land and climate. So we win, but you can try again in a few years cause apparently we're going to fall off into the ocean.
 

nick1985

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We have the shittier government, but the way better land and climate. So we win, but you can try again in a few years cause apparently we're going to fall off into the ocean.

We also both have our share of illegals.

Also, my state has a little bit less bullshit gun laws. We beat you by a hair there
 

jackace

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Just like we discussed in the other thread, the groups that need to be reigned in and cut back the most are the ones who will not see minimum wage.
 

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dmcowen674 said:
Republicans should be thrilled, can't think of a better way to reign in out of control costs and spending.
I am.
But... this doesn't reign in costs, it just defers them. They will be paying backpay when a budget gets passed. This isn't about costs, but rather a brinkmanship tactic to force a budget to be passed. Granted I didn't read White v. Davis so the OP might not have the effects of the ruling quite right, but if the OP is stating how it plays out then this has nothing to do with costs and everything to do with who gets the last word on the budget.
 

olds

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Republicans should be thrilled, can't think of a better way to reign in out of control costs and spending. :thumbsup:
If you can't think of a better way, you don't have much of an imagination.

But, if you are on your meds and lucid, tell us how much money this will save and what harm, if any, it will do to the Sacramento or California economy.
 

olds

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Fuck cali. Im ashamed to live here.
I am eligible to retire in 4.5 years. I will likely work another 8.5.
Then I will take my RV to South Dakota, Stay at a KOA campground and register my vehicles there and register to vote there. I will become a resident.
Then my CA retirement will not be taxable at CA rates and I will roam the country. Like Kwai Chang Caine. Maybe go back to visit but never hold property or live there again. I am not the only one.
 

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This is a political play through and through. Arnold's spokesman, and soon to be VERY unemployed, Aaron McClear, was on some AM radio station last week try soooo hard to not say that they are playing politcal chicken with the livelihood of a quarter million people, that go to work everyday, pay thier taxes, and consume goods that support the community that we all live in...

As a state worker, (been one for just under 2 years) I commented on SacBee.com when Arnold's May budget proposal came out, that I would be willing to accept a permanant 15% pay cut in leiu of his intention to completely eliminate CalWorks(welfare). But sadly, I will still get my pay cut, and everyone else, including the leaches that have been on unemployment for going on 2 years, will continue to get thier handout.

I feel Arnold's pain to an extent. The legislature has done nothing, absolutely nothing to improve the financial state of affairs in California... and all they want to do is add more bills, more spending, and cut absolutely nothing. This is a fight at the top and sadly all the people at the bottom are going to pay the price, as usual...