Schroeder's party uses dead American soldiers as marketing

raildogg

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SPD uses dead US soldiers on election posters

16 September 2005

BERLIN - Battling for re-election in a tight race, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party is putting up campaign posters showing flag-draped coffins of dead American soldiers to underline their opposition to the Iraq war, reports said Friday.

Rolf Schwanitz, a state secretary in the Berlin chancellery, is using a poster with five coffins covered by the American stars and stripes being loaded into a transport aircraft flanked by a U.S. military honour guard.

The caption of the poster is aimed at conservative challenger Angela Merkel, who backed the Iraq war while always vowing not to send German troops.

"She would have sent soldiers," is emblazoned across the
poster for Schroeder's Social Democratic Party (SPD).

The Chancellor, who narrowly won re-election in 2002 after making his 'no' to the Iraq war a key campaign issue, never misses a chance to attack Merkel over Iraq in election rally speeches.

"As long as we are in office German foreign policy will be made in Berlin and not anywhere else," said Schroeder to cheers at a rally in Potsdam this week, adding that Merkel lacked the strength to stand up to "the kind of pressure" he had to face over Iraq.

Schroeder's use of the Iraq war in 2002 for domestic purposes led to the worst post-war crisis in German-American ties.

The conservative Bild tabloid dubbed the posters "perverse election campaigning."

Merkel's Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) reacted with outrage to the poster.

"It's totally tasteless! There are limits even in an election campaign - you don't use the dead to win votes," said CDU Secretary General Volker Kauder.

German elections will be held this Sunday.

Polls show a very tight race with Merkel's centre-right alliance short of a majority in parliament.

There is speculation that Merkel may try to form a grand coalition with Schroeder's SPD as junior partner.

But some analysts predict Schroeder will try to cling to power by adding the opposition Free Democrats (FDP) to his SPD-Greens government which all polls show failing to win a majority.

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But Im sure the German population wouldnt really mind that kind of marketing. another way to spit on America

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Genx87

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But but but the people in America are the sheeps.

Not the Germans who buy into anti-war rhetoric that makes them forget about the 12% unemployment rates and stagnant ecnomy.

If this guy wins based on a campaign of ripping on America, lmao at the Germans.
 

Todd33

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Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: Genx87
If this guy wins based on a campaign of ripping on America, lmao at the Germans.

He already did that 3 years ago. Of course, you poeple didn't notice, as you were busy frothing at the mouth over the French...
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.

If we're not allowed to see them, why should they.......
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: Genx87
If this guy wins based on a campaign of ripping on America, lmao at the Germans.

He already did that 3 years ago. Of course, you poeple didn't notice, as you were busy frothing at the mouth over the French...

We noticed but figured after another 3 years of slow economic growth and high unemployment the Germans would wake upto the fact bashing America isnt a platform that gets much of anything done in the real world.
 

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Todd33
Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.

If we're not allowed to see them, why should they.......

because they're more open-minded than we are.
 

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Hahaha, sweet! :thumbsup: for Schroeder!

Our administration does the despicable for the pro-war crowd, so it is nice to see someone doing it for the anti-war crowd as well.

And YOU CAN use the dead to win votes. 9/11 anyone?
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Todd33
Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.

There are dead soldiers in them.

No, the title is misleading. Full Stop.

The war, and America's insistence on plunging ahead with it despite the objections of many of our allies deeply alienated the Germans, among others, and the image of flag draped coffins produced by the war strikes a resonant chord with them. If some other nation were to ignore U.S. objections to a similarly precipitous action, you would be screaming to attack them with nukes. Get real. The U.S. is not the World's sole nation. Stop being the ugly American.
 

Genx87

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No, the title is misleading. Full Stop.

I am more interested in the spin um I mean reason why you think the title is misleading.

They have coffins draped in the U.S. flag on a poster saying the opposition would have sent soldiers.

That is using dead American soldiers to market their msg about the opposition.

 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Todd33
Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.

There are dead soldiers in them.

Of course you are being difficult or just ignorant. Dead soldiers implies pictures of dead American's with limbs blown off laying limp in a Humvee. A flag draped coffin is a much different beast. It has dignity and respect and shows no gore and is not personal. Kind of like the difference between Arlington and it's rows of head stones vs piles of bodies.


"President Bush shows his balls to to the camera!"

Well, what do you think are in his pants, what's misleading about my title?
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Todd33
Misleading title, way to be a drama queen. Flag coffins != dead soldiers.

There are dead soldiers in them.

No, the title is misleading. Full Stop.

The war, and America's insistence on plunging ahead with it despite the objections of many of our allies deeply alienated the Germans, among others, and the image of flag draped coffins produced by the war strikes a resonant chord with them. If some other nation were to ignore U.S. objections to a similarly precipitous action, you would be screaming to attack them with nukes. Get real. The U.S. is not the World's sole nation. Stop being the ugly American.

Wait a minute. You agree that the images of flag-draped coffins have an effect of the citizens and voters in Germany, but think that the phrase "uses dead American soldiers as marketing" is completely misleading? Is this one of those little "nuances" I'm missing? Are the coffins not supposed to make your first impression be that of dead soldiers? Is the American Flag not supposed to indicate their nationality? Is the intent not to market?

What am I missing? :confused:
 

Genx87

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Dead soldiers implies pictures of dead American's with limbs blown off laying limp in a Humvee

No it doesnt, where did you get that implication?
Just because they are in coffins draped in the U.S. flag doesnt make them any less dead.

 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Dead soldiers implies pictures of dead American's with limbs blown off laying limp in a Humvee

No it doesnt, where did you get that implication?
Just because they are in coffins draped in the U.S. flag doesnt make them any less dead.

Ok, this is like argueing with a six year old. Your right, if I say there is a dead person in the basement, the first thing everyone will think of is a coffin. This is what happens when the right wing blogs have nothing to do. They take some molehill and blow it up into a mountain. The sheep of course read it, nod their heads and copy and paste it.
 

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Although it seems the Libs never cease to amaze me, it's hard for me to believe that there's people here who are defending this type of political gamesmanship. It must be a case of excusing anything because Germany was against OIF.

Many leaders in Germany have made America bashing a national sport, but sometimes in situations like this, you have to draw the line. It's pretty disgusting. I half wonder if a country like Germany is going the route of some Middle Eastern nations... where they foster a certain level of America hating (for domestic political purposes) but it eventually becomes an all-consuming obsession that gets out of control.
 

Genx87

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Ok, this is like argueing with a six year old. Your right, if I say there is a dead person in the basement, the first thing everyone will think of is a coffin. This is what happens when the right wing blogs have nothing to do.

I agree on the 6 year old part, your partisanship blinds your thinking ability.

I think any reasonable person would look at that poster and associate a dead American soldier, not simply a coffin, with the oppositions pro-war view and think that could be dead German soldiers. There is nothing misleading about the title. I cant believe you are that over the top blind to think otherwise.

They take some molehill and blow it up into a mountain. The sheep of course read it, nod their heads and copy and paste it.

lmao the irony.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Genx87
Dead soldiers implies pictures of dead American's with limbs blown off laying limp in a Humvee

No it doesnt, where did you get that implication?
Just because they are in coffins draped in the U.S. flag doesnt make them any less dead.

Ok, this is like argueing with a six year old. Your right, if I say there is a dead person in the basement, the first thing everyone will think of is a coffin. This is what happens when the right wing blogs have nothing to do. They take some molehill and blow it up into a mountain. The sheep of course read it, nod their heads and copy and paste it.

This is all complete speculation, and feel free to call me crazy, but I'd wager a good chunk of $$ I don't have that if a known-liberal poster had started a thread about a right-to-life campaign that featured images of crimson-stained bundles of rags in the trash can of a clinical room with the title "Group X uses aborted fetuses as marketing," you wouldn't have shown up and cried foul. Ditto for a Bush ad that featured the graves/last pictures/obits of 9/11 victims.

If you don't agree with the contents of the post, argue that, instead of the delivery. I can't believe you have the gall to accuse others of being pendantic in this thread.
 

OrByte

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we have enough sleazy politics in our own country. No need to worry (or care) about what germans are politicizing


yawn.
 

Bumrush99

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Forget about protesting against the campaign workers that came up with the ad. Under the current system of worker rights it would take 5 years to fire them :)
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
This is all complete speculation, and feel free to call me crazy, but I'd wager a good chunk of $$ I don't have that if a known-liberal poster had started a thread about a right-to-life campaign that featured images of crimson-stained bundles of rags in the trash can of a clinical room with the title "Group X uses aborted fetuses as marketing," you wouldn't have shown up and cried foul. Ditto for a Bush ad that featured the graves/last pictures/obits of 9/11 victims.

If you don't agree with the contents of the post, argue that, instead of the delivery. I can't believe you have the gall to accuse others of being pendantic in this thread.

Of course rather than you saying the truth "ya the title is a bit misleading". You ramble on incoherently about abortion, 911, etc. Figures.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: OrByte
we have enough sleazy politics in our own country. No need to worry (or care) about what germans are politicizing


yawn.

Translated: It's not America bashing, so let's move on.

Never mind this is P&N and not American P&N . How foolish of us to discuss anything outside the US :roll: