School suspends kid for voicing opinion in opposition to homosexuality

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/

Texas School Punishes Boy for Opposing Homosexuality

An honors student in Fort Worth, Texas, was sent to the principal’s office and punished for telling a classmate that he believes homosexuality is wrong.

Holly Pope said she was “absolutely stunned” when she received a telephone call from an assistant principal at Western Hills High School informing her that her son, Dakota Ary, had been sent to in-school suspension.

“Dakota is a very well-grounded 14-year-old,” she told Fox News Radio noting that her son is an honors student, plays on the football team and is active in his church youth group. “He’s been in church his whole life and he’s been taught to stand up for what he believes.”

And that’s what got him in trouble.

Dakota was in a German class at the high school when the conversation shifted to religion and homosexuality in Germany. At some point during the conversation, he turned to a friend and said that he was a Christian and “being a homosexual is wrong.”

“It wasn’t directed to anyone except my friend who was sitting behind me,” Dakota told Fox. “I guess [the teacher] heard me. He started yelling. He told me he was going to write me an infraction and send me to the office.”

Dakota was sentenced to one day in-school suspension – and two days of full suspension. His mother was flabbergasted, noting that her son had a spotless record, was an honor student, volunteered at his church and played on the school football team.

Officials at the high school did not return calls for comment. However, the Fort Worth Independent School District issued a statement that read:

“As a matter of course, Fort Worth ISD does not comment on specific employee or student-related issues. Suffice it to say that we are following district policy in our review of the circumstances and any resolution will likewise be in accordance with district policy.”

After a meeting with Pope and her attorney, the school rescinded the two-day suspension so Dakota would be allowed to play in an upcoming football game.

“They’ve righted all the wrongs,” said Matt Krause, an attorney with the Liberty Counsel. “This should have no lasting effect on his academic or personal record going forward.”

Pope contacted the Liberty Counsel immediately after her son was punished.

“I told the school that he should never have been suspended for exercising his Constitutional rights,” Krause told Fox News Radio. “The principal is sincere in trying to do the right thing and hopefully they will tell the teacher, ‘Do not do that anymore.’ He won’t be pushing his agenda.”

Krause called the incident “mind blowing” and said the teacher had frequently brought homosexuality into ninth grade classroom discussions.

“There has been a history with this teacher in the class regarding homosexual topics,” Krause said. “The teacher had posted a picture of two men kissing on a wall that offended some of the students.”

Krause said the picture was posted on the teacher’s “world wall.”

“He told the students this is happening all over the world and you need to accept the fact that homosexuality is just part of our culture now,” Krause said.

The school district would not comment on why a teacher was discussing homosexuality in a ninth grade German class.

“In German class there should be no talk of being pro-Gay or homosexual topics,” Krause said.

Dakota’s mother said she believes the teacher should apologize.

“He should never have been punished,” Pope said. “He didn’t disrupt the class. He wasn’t threatening. He wasn’t hostile. He made a comment to his friend and the teacher overheard it.”

“My son knows people that are homosexual,” she said. “He’s not saying, ‘I don’t like you.’ He’s saying, ‘I’m a Christian and I believe that being that way is wrong.’”

Krause said school leaders told Dakota that in the future he should be careful when and where he talks about his opposition to homosexuality – suggesting that he talk about such matters in the hallway instead of the classroom.

He said Liberty Counsel will monitor the situation to make sure there is no future retaliation. Meantime, Pope said her son will return to the teacher’s classroom.

“I’ve told him to treat this teacher with respect,” she said. “He is your elder. He is your teacher. What his beliefs are or what they are not – outside the school is none of our business.”

In Texas, no less.

I have no qualms about tolerating the homosexual lifestyle though I disapprove of it, but I wish supporters of it would have the decency to return the favor.

The teacher was within his rights to disagree, even to get angry, but it crossed a much more serious line when the kid got suspended.
 

LumbergTech

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Yes, it is unfortunate that his parents taught him to "disapprove" of others who aren't doing anything wrong.
Isn't that kinda what you are claiming is being done to him? Kinda sucks doesn't it?
 

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“In German class there should be no talk of being pro-Gay or homosexual topics,” Krause said

Beyond the hit piece on the teacher trying to discredit the act as that of a loon, I loved this comment. So the teacher should keep it out of the class, but the student shouldn't?
 

brencat

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Freedom of speech, yay! Unless said speech doesn't conform to the anything-goes liberal left culture, in which case it's 'off with his head!'
 

tydas

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I think its more a product of the current environment with bullying of gays and suicides. In this case its just better to shut up and keep your opinions to yourself...besides if you are opposed to gays what options do you have to stop them?
 

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Freedom of speech, yay! Unless said speech doesn't conform to the anything-goes liberal left culture, in which case it's 'off with his head!'

I'm sure where you work you are free to voice your dissatisfaction over gays...
 

Atreus21

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Yes, it is unfortunate that his parents taught him to "disapprove" of others who aren't doing anything wrong.
Isn't that kinda what you are claiming is being done to him? Kinda sucks doesn't it?

Disapproving is one thing. Actually making someone's life worse is another.
 

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Beyond the hit piece on the teacher trying to discredit the act as that of a loon, I loved this comment. So the teacher should keep it out of the class, but the student shouldn't?

The student didn't bring it up. The teacher did.
 

Genx87

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It just amazes me the ego of these teachers to think they can bully teenagers to agree with their view without anybody pushing back.
 

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“My son knows people that are homosexual,”

Pure. Gold.

Anyway, the teacher did over react. And, if people want to disapprove about a human being's right to live how they wish to, well, go ahead. But, you won't make them go away.

No one should scream in your face about how you must accept anyone. But, there should be zero tolerance for hate against the person you disapprove of.
 

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I think its more a product of the current environment with bullying of gays and suicides. In this case its just better to shut up and keep your opinions to yourself...besides if you are opposed to gays what options do you have to stop them?

I'm not trying to stop them. Or silence them. This teacher did exactly that.
 

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Pure. Gold.

Anyway, the teacher did over react. And, if people want to disapprove about a human being's right to live how they wish to, well, go ahead. But, you won't make them go away.

Not trying to make them go away.

No one should scream in your face about how you must accept anyone. But, there should be zero tolerance for hate against the person you disapprove of.

Entirely agree with one minor difference. Feel free to hate, but not to act on it.
 

brencat

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I'm sure where you work you are free to voice your dissatisfaction over gays...

As someone else pointed out, the information wasn't volunteered by said student, it was solicited. And yes, if I were ever asked in a social setting, I too would answer that I disapprove as well based on my belief system. But I do not discriminate, persecute, or otherwise provoke people generally (except in AT P&N ;) )
 

Atreus21

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OK then..if you are 'opposed' to homosexulaity' whats your end goal?

Correction: I'm opposed to the activities they engage in on the basis that I find them immoral.

My end goal? If I can't convince them of their wrongness (in my opinion), then I have no further goal. They're free adults. It's their call.

There are far greater horrors on earth which demand more attention than making sure everyone's having sex with whom they should.
 
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ShawnD1

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I have no qualms about tolerating the homosexual lifestyle though I disapprove of it, but I wish supporters of it would have the decency to return the favor.

The teacher was within his rights to disagree, even to get angry, but it crossed a much more serious line when the kid got suspended.
I thought this was going to be another one of those stupid troll threads where some kid is up in front of the class saying "WE NEED TO KILL THE GAYS" then tries to defend it as free speech.

The school is wrong on this one. As long as the kid is only expressing an opinion and is not trying to organize a lynch mob, he should be allowed to say what he thinks.
 

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Homosexuality is wrong as far as I am concerned. It may be legal and I may have to accept that it is legal, but I dont have to approve of it. Many people do many things that I think are wrong; probably even myself at times. I also think drinking Alcohol and smoking tobacco products is wrong also, but they are legal.

There are also people that believe eating meat or wearing fur coats are wrong also. They have their opinion and I have mine. That doesnt mean they dont have the right to voice their opinion.

This freedom is a rather touchy subject.

If the government has a right to require warning labels on tobacco products and alcohol, doesnt that mean that the government has come to the conclusion that they are bad for you? Even though the government has admitted that things are bad for you, that same government taxes their use, and keeps it legal, even though it causes health problems!
 
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K1052

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Teacher and school of course messed up badly.

However the “He’s been in church his whole life and he’s been taught to stand up for what he believes.” part of this is lulz.
 

ichy

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IF this happened the way the mother describes then yeah, the school was wrong. Let's remember we're only getting one side of the story though, the kid's behavior could have been obnoxious or disruptive. Plenty of parents (liberal and conservative) won't admit that their little darlings were behaving like pieces of shit.
 

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So its ok for him and anyone else to approve of it but not dissaprove? That means its ok to approve of religion in schools and basically any other highly controversial debate but not disaprove them ...otherwise its just hypocritical BS. let the boy have his free speech as long as he does so with common sense
 

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So its ok for him and anyone else to approve of it but not dissaprove? That means its ok to approve of religion in schools and basically any other highly controversial debate but not disaprove them ...otherwise its just hypocritical BS. let the boy have his free speech as long as he does so with common sense

As is the case with any free speech. Hence the "fire in a theater", "bomb on an airplane" examples.