School District Sued For Suspending Student Over Anti-Gay T-Shirt

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School District Sued For Suspending Student Over Anti-Gay T-Shirt

SAN DIEGO, Calif. -- A San Diego County school district was sued Wednesday for allegedly violating the civil rights of a student who was suspended for wearing a T-shirt reading "Homosexuality is Shameful."

A federal suit filed against the Poway Unified School District says Tyler Chase Harper was suspended for expressing his "sincerely held religious beliefs" during and after an April 21 "Day of Silence." During the national event, high school and college students remain silent to show support for homosexuals, bisexuals and trans-gender students.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

"Because it's a legal matter, the district is unable to comment," said Sharon Raffer, spokeswoman for the 32,000-student school district.

Harper, 16, of Poway, is a sophomore at Poway High School. According to the suit, he is a Christian who believes that "homosexual behavior is immoral, damaging to the practitioners and to human society in general, and is demonstrably contrary to the teachings of the Bible."

According to the suit, on April 21 he wore a T-shirt hand-lettered with the words "I Will Not Accept What God Has Condemned" on the front and on the back it read "Homosexuality is Shameful" and "Romans 1:27," a reference to a Bible passage.

When he wore a similar shirt the next day, a classroom teacher told him that he was violating the school dress code and must remove the T-shirt or go to the office, according to the lawsuit.

The suit claims that the school's assistant principal said the shirt violated the code because it had homemade printing and was "inflammatory," and that the teenager was suspended by the principal when he refused to remove it.

The lawsuit also contends that a sheriff's deputy whom it did not identify told the student that the shirt "could encourage uprising and violence against homosexuals" and that a school vice principal said he must "leave his faith in the car."

According to the lawsuit, Poway High School's student policy handbook states that the dress code forbids "violence or hate behavior, including derogatory connotations directed toward sexual identity." It alleges the policy is too broad and vague.

The school district policy forbids expressions of "racial, ethnic, or religious prejudice" that might create a "clear and present danger" of unlawful acts or disruption of school operations, the suit said.

But it argued that Harper's messages did neither.

"When are public school officials going to learn they are not allowed to silence constitutionally protected student speech just because they disagree with the student?" said a statement by Robert Tyler, a lawyer with the Alliance Defense Fund, which filed the suit.

The fund asked the court to bar the district and school from "selectively banning religious expression" and grant at least $25,000 in damages.

The Scottsdale, Ariz.-based defense fund provides funding, training and legal aid to lawyers and others to defend what it defines as "the legal battle for religious freedom, sanctity of life, and the preservation of marriage and the family."

The suit, which names the district and high school and various officials, alleges violation of the student's rights of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and equal protection of the law.
 

UnatcoAgent

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Dumbass shouldn't have worn the close-minded shirt to begin with - America is so fvkced up
 

SWScorch

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in most cases I'd say, it's a shirt, it his opinion, who cares, but that is inflammatory. I wouldn't wear a shirt that says "Christians are ignorant," and he shouldn't wear a shirt like that. It's not so much the message as how it is presented.
 

acemcmac

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why would the principal or any gay students care anyway???

oh teh noes, those words are gunna hurt me!
 

Ness

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He's suing over his constitutional rights but the funny thing is... minors don't technically have those rights.
 

jjones

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The shirt is stupid, but no more so than the "Day of Silence" event. Why should the kid be unable to express his beliefs when he's had "show support for homosexuals, bisexuals and trans-gender students" jammed down his throat? It seems a bit hypocritical.
 

NuclearNed

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Freedom of speech doesn't apply to just those who think a particular way. The idea behind freedom of speech is that you can speak what you believe, regardless of who is going to be offended - and somone somewhere will always be offended by strongly held beliefs. He should be allowed to wear the shirt.
 

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to just those who think a particular way. The idea behind freedom of speech is that you can speak what you believe, regardless of who is going to be offended - and somone somewhere will always be offended by strongly held beliefs. He should be allowed to wear the shirt.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply at all in school. He is free to say what he wishes and the school is free to suspend him because of it.
 

Fingolfin269

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Yup, if they're going to allow goth kids to wear Mason shirts that read 'God is Dead' then this kid should be able to wear his shirt.

I doubt they would stop the gay kids from wearing rainbow shirts on rainbow day.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: jjones
The shirt is stupid, but no more so than the "Day of Silence" event. Why should the kid be unable to express his beliefs when he's had "show support for homosexuals, bisexuals and trans-gender students" jammed down his throat? It seems a bit hypocritical.

Apples and oranges, showing your support for something is one thing, saying that something is shameful is another. If his t-shirt had said "support your church" he wouldn't have been suspended.
 

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Yup, if they're going to allow goth kids to wear Mason shirts that read 'God is Dead' then this kid should be able to wear his shirt.

I doubt they would stop the gay kids from wearing rainbow shirts on rainbow day.

Again, apples and oranges, if someone had a t-shirt that said "christians are ignorant" i am pretty sure the reaction would be the same. Attacking a group of people is different from showing support of a group.
 

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Originally posted by: Magnum375
Dumbass shouldn't have worn the close-minded shirt to begin with - I am so fvkced up

There, fixed.

"When are public school officials going to learn they are not allowed to silence constitutionally protected student speech just because they disagree with the student?" said a statement by Robert Tyler, a lawyer with the Alliance Defense Fund, which filed the suit.

That's the whole point. You guys think he's being close minded, because you don't agree with it. If it was something you were for, you'd think he was open minded.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Magnum375
Dumbass shouldn't have worn the close-minded shirt to begin with - I am so fvkced up

There, fixed.

"When are public school officials going to learn they are not allowed to silence constitutionally protected student speech just because they disagree with the student?" said a statement by Robert Tyler, a lawyer with the Alliance Defense Fund, which filed the suit.

That's the whole point. You guys think he's being close minded, because you don't agree with it. If it was something you were for, you'd think he was open minded.

And if i join the KKK it is ok to be against blacks and say so? If i am a Satanist it is ok to proclaim that christianity is for the weak minded? This guy isn't FOR anything, he is simply against homosexuality, it's no different from being against blacks, muslims, christians or whatever, keep your religion to yourself and in your church and i will keep my opinions of you to myself.
 

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Bah! So if a kid wears a shirt that says "Gays do it better!" witht he obvious conotation being secual, then he is expressing his right as a gay person?
But if a bible toting kid expresses his despise of what he believes is a sin, the he's wrong? Typical liberal bullshit......

If the kid wants to wear the shirt then both parties can do it, but if he cant then NEITHER party can wear this type of clothing or be outspoken about it...


What a sack of crap! They should sue the school, you can be sure if the gay kids wanted a "tolerance" rally, then theywoudl surely get one...
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Yup, if they're going to allow goth kids to wear Mason shirts that read 'God is Dead' then this kid should be able to wear his shirt.

I doubt they would stop the gay kids from wearing rainbow shirts on rainbow day.

Again, apples and oranges, if someone had a t-shirt that said "christians are ignorant" i am pretty sure the reaction would be the same. Attacking a group of people is different from showing support of a group.

I doubt it. Bashing Christianity is as trendy as supporting homosexuality. I'd bet $50 if he was wearing a far more inflammatory anti-Christian statement, no one would have batted an eye.

My feelings on the shirt is that school isn't the place to make those kind of statements. The free speech argument is bunk. I would like my children to learn as early as possible that free speech only means you can't be arrested for making such a statement. But you can still be suspended, fired, sued, beaten or killed for making those kinds of statements, so choose carefully when and where you make them.

If they have to learn this the hard way, I'd rather them get a detention than lose their job or beat within an inch of their life.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Yup, if they're going to allow goth kids to wear Mason shirts that read 'God is Dead' then this kid should be able to wear his shirt.

I doubt they would stop the gay kids from wearing rainbow shirts on rainbow day.

Again, apples and oranges, if someone had a t-shirt that said "christians are ignorant" i am pretty sure the reaction would be the same. Attacking a group of people is different from showing support of a group.

Sorry, but the freedom of speech in which I believe is universal. Who cares if what I say offends someone? And who are you (not you Klixxer, but authority in general) to decide what I can say and what I can't? Even if I have a shirt that says "Group X is stupid", it is just an opinion which I have the right to possess and express. If someone doesn't like it, there are hundreds of other countries out there that don't allow unpopular opinions to be expressed - they can feel free to move to one that suits their fancy at any time instead of stomping on my freedoms.

This kid was in no way advocating violence against a group of people, so he is perfectly within his AMERICAN rights to express it in whatever medium he desires.
 

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It goes back to what is good for one is good for another...

We in this country are wy to worried about being PC, screw that..its just ridiculous....
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: jjones
The shirt is stupid, but no more so than the "Day of Silence" event. Why should the kid be unable to express his beliefs when he's had "show support for homosexuals, bisexuals and trans-gender students" jammed down his throat? It seems a bit hypocritical.

Apples and oranges, showing your support for something is one thing, saying that something is shameful is another. If his t-shirt had said "support your church" he wouldn't have been suspended.
Not apples and oranges at all. He's forced to endure the opinion that he should be supportive of gays, etc. He's just expressing his opinion, yet is suspended for it.

The idea that his shirt is inflammatory for its expression is no different than the idea that having a "Day of Silence" event is inflammatory. If we're supposed to be tolerant in the belief that homosexuality is okay, why not tolerance for the belief that homosexuality is not okay?
 

Fingolfin269

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I can't believe I typed Mason instead of Manson.

Anyway, this is just more fuel to the 'school uniform' fire. I personally don't have a problem with that idea at all. I'm just tired of issues being dealt with from only one side of the fence.