Scary Times, if Donny goes Rogue..

Viper1j

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His cult will back him..

NEVER underestimate a psychopath..

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/23/opinions/trump-contest-2020-election-loss-geltzer/index.html

What if Trump refuses to accept defeat in 2020?
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President Donald Trump's critics are increasingly focused on the question of which Democrat will challenge him for the presidency in 2020. It's an important question, but another one might be even more important: Regardless of who runs in 2020, if Trump loses, will he leave the Oval Office peacefully?

Let's start with why we need to ask this question: Trump is increasingly proving himself to be a President eager to overstep his authority. Just last week, Trump displayed his willingness to invoke unprecedented presidential power to declare a national emergency utterly without justification. This week has brought a startling report from the New York Times that, for the past two years, Trump has tried to undermine the investigations by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and other parts of the Justice Department in order to, in the words of the Times, "make the president's many legal problems go away." In light of these overreaching assertions of his own authority, it's at least plausible that Trump might attempt to cling to power in ways previously unimaginable by an American president.

Thankfully, there are four steps that key actors across the American system of governance can take to get ahead of this possibility. Remember, when Trump was merely a private citizen running for President in 2016, he became the first presidential candidate in recent memory to refuse to commit that he'd honor the results of the election if he lost. Now, he occupies the Oval Office. He's the commander in chief of the most powerful military on Earth. If he even hints at contesting the election result in 2020, as he suggested he might in 2016, he'd be doing so not as an outsider but as a leader with the vast resources of the US government potentially at his disposal.

Trump's unrelenting assaults on the media and intelligence community, augmented by his baseless insistence on widespread voter fraud, have laid the groundwork for him to contest the election results in worrisome ways by undermining two institutions Americans would count on to validate those results.
As the 2018 midterms approached, Trump appeared to preview exactly such behavior. He tweeted that he was "very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election" and "pushing very hard for the Democrats." Without pointing to even a shred of analysis from the intelligence community, media reports or any other sources, Trump seemed to dangle the notion that, if the elections went too badly for the Republicans, he might allege foreign interference with the vote tally to cast doubt on the validity of the results.

In 2020, with his reelection on the line, the stakes for Trump himself are, of course, wildly bigger.

All told, there's real reason to worry here. So, what can be done now to avoid a potential constitutional crisis and ensure that the 2020 election results -- whatever they might be -- are respected and that any transfer of power occurs peacefully? While many of us worry that President Trump has fallen woefully short in addressing foreign election interference through social media that can change American voters' minds, there's nonetheless an obvious imperative to respect the actual vote tally unless the intelligence community indicates that malicious actors have directly altered it (which would be unprecedented). Thankfully, there are four key sets of governmental actors across the United States that can commit now to certain steps that would help to isolate President Trump should he refuse to hand over power peacefully.

First is the justifiably much-maligned Electoral College. As we were reminded in 2016, elections are not determined by popular vote but by the votes of each state's and the District of Columbia's electors, who are generally chosen by the political parties at state conventions or through a vote of the party's central committee. For the sake of the rule of law and peaceful transfer of power, both parties should require anyone seeking to be one of the college's electors to pledge that they will not withhold, delay or alter their vote based on the claims or protestations of any candidate, including President Trump.

Second is Congress. It's the newly seated Congress that, in January 2021, will meet in joint session to receive the Electoral College's handiwork and count the electoral votes. Thereafter, the President of the Senate will formally announce the election's result. Unlike the electors, who haven't been selected as of this writing, we already know many who will be serving in Congress that day (with the exception of any defeated incumbents, resignations, deaths or other unusual occurrences). These senators and representatives should make a joint pledge not to delay or alter counting of the votes based on any candidate's objections. Moreover, they should pledge to hold public hearings with intelligence community leaders should those officials or any candidate suggest that vote counts were influenced by foreign election interference or for any other reason. That unvarnished testimony by intelligence professionals could debunk any claims by Trump (or any other candidate) that the final vote count shouldn't be honored.

Third, 39 of America's 50 state governors will not be up for reelection in 2020. They represent continuity in critical positions of leadership, and some command respect across party lines. Those 39 should band together now to make clear that they will serve, at least informally, as bastions of our democracy should a peaceful transfer of power look threatened by any candidate's response to the election. Especially because most, if not all, are sure to support one candidate or the other, they hold great power to urge respect for the election's results, regardless of who wins. Think here of the example set by former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas after the December 2017 special election for a Senate seat in Alabama. When Republican candidate Roy Moore initially appeared intent on baselessly contesting the election results, Huckabee, a Republican stalwart, issued a sharply worded rebuke to Moore. Moore soon acknowledged defeat.

Fourth, our civilian and uniformed Defense Department leaders have a role to play. The health of our democracy rests, in part, on not involving the military in transfers of power. And that should continue. But imagine the most extreme scenario, with Congress certifying Trump's defeat but Trump refusing to leave office. In those circumstances, the military would no longer owe its loyalty to Donald Trump as of noon on January 20, 2021. And it's worth asking the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as they testify before Congress in coming months, to affirm that they understand that and would act consistently with it. These are dire thoughts. But we live in uncertain and worrying times. Perhaps, in 2016, Donald Trump never really intended to contest a loss at the ballot box. Still, having seen him in action as President, it's surely best, as we hurtle toward 2020, to be prepared in case President Trump makes good on his threats from 2016 -- now with far more power at his disposal.
 

BoomerD

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Holy wall-o-text!

Anyway, it ain't gonna matter. Sadly, the Dems don't seem to have a candidate worth voting for, so King Donny will get reelected easily...unless Mueller takes him down. (and I don't expect that to happen...I'm expecting the report to be a gigantic nothing-burder)
The big trick...that might play into the op is...Will he relinquish the office after 2 terms?
 
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Remember when right wingers said Obama’s wouldn’t leave office and we made fun of them? Yeah let’s not do this again...
 

kage69

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A lot can change between this week and election 2020. We could already be in President Pelosi territory right now and just not know it yet.

My money is on the Russian Asset not getting another illegitimate term.
 

Jhhnn

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Holy wall-o-text!

Anyway, it ain't gonna matter. Sadly, the Dems don't seem to have a candidate worth voting for, so King Donny will get reelected easily...unless Mueller takes him down. (and I don't expect that to happen...I'm expecting the report to be a gigantic nothing-burder)
The big trick...that might play into the op is...Will he relinquish the office after 2 terms?

I'll take tearing down the Democrats for $1000, Alex.

Should Trump lose re-election, he'll be dragged out of the oval office in a straight jacket, if necessary. Nobody will back him if he tries anything else.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Holy wall-o-text!

Anyway, it ain't gonna matter. Sadly, the Dems don't seem to have a candidate worth voting for, so King Donny will get reelected easily...unless Mueller takes him down. (and I don't expect that to happen...I'm expecting the report to be a gigantic nothing-burder)
The big trick...that might play into the op is...Will he relinquish the office after 2 terms?
I dont understand this thinking.

Independents, the ones who swing every election, no longer support Trump like they did in 2016 (he cant be worse they thought!). So bye bye 2020.

You cant lose the popular election that badly AND poll at near 40% popularity for your entire term AND likely be headed to jail AND win again.

Also, 4 years of Trump insanity documented for ads, debates etc.

Also economy likely tanking.

Trump as a loser written all over this election. His base isnt enough.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Agreed
We have laws, I can’t imagine a coup happening with a President refusing to
Leave office.
What general would swear loyalty to Trump? If there is one thing he has shown, its that he rewards loyalty with betrayal.

You cant have coups without military support.
 

Texashiker

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LOL, same thing was said about Bush sr, Clinton, Bush jr, obama... etc.

Nothing but fear mongering.
 

Sunburn74

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I dont understand this thinking.
Independents, the ones who swing every election, no longer support Trump like they did in 2016 (he cant be worse they thought!). So bye bye 2020.
You cant lose the popular election that badly AND poll at near 40% popularity for your entire term AND likely be headed to jail AND win again.
Also, 4 years of Trump insanity documented for ads, debates etc.
Also economy likely tanking.
Trump as a loser written all over this election. His base isnt enough.
I agree with you. Incumbency is powerful but honestly the reason he won was largely because he was such an unknown quantity.
We've had two years of pure chaos. We know what the trump administration is to the US.
 

alien42

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LOL, same thing was said about Bush sr, Clinton, Bush jr, obama... etc.

Nothing but fear mongering.

only one of them said that millions of illegals voted and that there was massive voter fraud.

that's not fear mongering, it's just the facts.
 

cytg111

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Mmmm... Cant indict a sitting president.

The second he is not president anymore...

Dragged out in hand cuffs then?
 

trenchfoot

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As with 2016, history looks like it may repeat itself where the race is for the Dems to lose..............again.
 

Mai72

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My Prediction : Donny for the win. Why? Because Democrats haven't got a clue. They keep going to the extreme left. Cortez is the perfect example. A frekin nut job. Sorry, but the country is still run by old people. The people still voting are mostly old. Go ask them what they think of Cortez. We need to get to the center again. No cars or trucks? Cortez you don't have a clue. Green new deal sounds cute. But, you're scaring away many people who'd voted Democrat. And, that Amazon NY fiasco. Sad.
 

ch33zw1z

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Holy wall-o-text!

Anyway, it ain't gonna matter. Sadly, the Dems don't seem to have a candidate worth voting for, so King Donny will get reelected easily...unless Mueller takes him down. (and I don't expect that to happen...I'm expecting the report to be a gigantic nothing-burder)
The big trick...that might play into the op is...Will he relinquish the office after 2 terms?

I disagree. I understand what you're saying, but I disagree because Trump won the electoral college by a small percentage of voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eople-in-three-states/?utm_term=.3f17061c2128

It wasn't a landslide by any stretch. The question remains if all that we've seen go down will sway less than 100k people to vote for the Democrat candidate. IMO, Trump has done a great job of not following thru on important topics impacting millions. Primarily healthcare, drug prices, heroin epidemic, infrastructure spending, but managed to slash taxes for the tippity top and put the on is on the middle class to pay the loan back over the next ten years. Just off the top of my head...but there's also promises made in the key swing States like Michigan and Pennsylvania.

It will be interesting for sure, but we know Trump won't back down and prefers outright lies when it suits his needs. Maybe another round of name calling, mocking military members, mocking disabled, supporting g conspiracy theorist to rely on a poorly educated populace will win it again for him. This time he'll save us, he is the chosen one after all
 

ch33zw1z

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My Prediction : Donny for the win. Why? Because Democrats haven't got a clue. They keep going to the extreme left. Cortez is the perfect example. A frekin nut job. Sorry, but the country is still run by old people. The people still voting are mostly old. Go ask them what they think of Cortez. We need to get to the center again. No cars or trucks? Cortez you don't have a clue. Green new deal sounds cute. But, you're scaring away many people who'd voted Democrat. And, that Amazon NY fiasco. Sad.

Lol, Obama was a centrist, too bad he was black, amirite?
 

Viper1j

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I'll take tearing down the Democrats for $1000, Alex.

Should Trump lose re-election, he'll be dragged out of the oval office in a straight jacket, if necessary. Nobody will back him if he tries anything else.

You sure about that? The cult is strong in that one.. He loves "the poorly educated". And his average cult member be like:

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LOL, same thing was said about Bush sr, Clinton, Bush jr, obama... etc.

Nothing but fear mongering.

Who is the only one that said he wouldn't accept the results of the election, "unless I win"? Who is THE ONLY ONE that said "Xi of China just declared himself President For Life. Perhaps I'll try that"?

Don't get lulled by a "Boy Who Cried Caravan" mindset. Trump is a real threat.

People usually think about something 5 times before it passes out the brain's gatekeeper of their mouths.
 
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Commodus

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LOL, same thing was said about Bush sr, Clinton, Bush jr, obama... etc.

Nothing but fear mongering.

I think Trump will leave office if (and hopefully when) he's voted out in 2020... he'll just be the whiny baby he is. He'll complain that the election wasn't fair, fire off a burst of executive orders out of spite and possibly pardon as many of his convicted associates as possible.

That and he'll probably be planning to move to a country without a US extradition treaty, since there's a real chance he'll be indicted the moment he's out of office.
 

Viper1j

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I think Trump will leave office if (and hopefully when) he's voted out in 2020... he'll just be the whiny baby he is. He'll complain that the election wasn't fair, fire off a burst of executive orders out of spite and possibly pardon as many of his convicted associates as possible.

That and he'll probably be planning to move to a country without a US extradition treaty, since there's a real chance he'll be indicted the moment he's out of office.

That works for me. The government can then seize his properties and freeze his assets.
 

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I think Trump will leave office if (and hopefully when) he's voted out in 2020... he'll just be the whiny baby he is. He'll complain that the election wasn't fair, fire off a burst of executive orders out of spite and possibly pardon as many of his convicted associates as possible.

That and he'll probably be planning to move to a country without a US extradition treaty, since there's a real chance he'll be indicted the moment he's out of office.

Who exactly are the whiny babies who have not shut up in last 2 years ?
 

feralkid

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My Prediction : Donny for the win. Why? Because Democrats haven't got a clue. They keep going to the extreme left. Cortez is the perfect example. A frekin nut job. Sorry, but the country is still run by old people. The people still voting are mostly old. Go ask them what they think of Cortez. We need to get to the center again. No cars or trucks? Cortez you don't have a clue. Green new deal sounds cute. But, you're scaring away many people who'd voted Democrat. And, that Amazon NY fiasco. Sad.


One left-leaning congress woman from New York has you squealing defeat like a whipped pup.

Get a fucking grip, man.
 

Commodus

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Who exactly are the whiny babies who have not shut up in last 2 years ?

Trump and Republican bootlickers. You know, the people who invented a non-existent voter fraud scheme because they couldn't admit that Trump lost the popular vote. The ones who are still obsessed with attacking Clinton even though the election is long since over. The ones who throw temper tantrums whenever Trump is called out on his constant lying or is thwarted by these radical concepts called "checks and balances."

It's certainly not the Democrats, the ones who are rightly concerned about widespread corruption in the Trump administration, about restoring the rule of law, about respect for science and the environment, about fighting Trump's discrimination against women and minorities. That is, decent human beings who believe there should be a baseline level of competence, integrity and compassion in government.