Scandal mongering by Dems proving futile..

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

there are PLENTY of people concerned over the Patriot Act. Ask the EFF and the ACLU what they think, for starters

well i would agree, but how come so many Dems, and particularly those in leadership positions, voted to make almost all of the provisions permanent...

Fear of not appearing patriotic? Because today's Democrats in power have turned into shadows of their former selves? Perhaps it is because when they do speak out they get pigeon holed as lunatics like Dean does every time he opens his mouth? Face it, the repulicrats just don't stick together like the republicans do. They cave too easily and have forgotten what it is they are supposed to stand for. Even knowing all that, the republican extremists in power have shown their true colors so much the last 5 years that people are starting to get just as turned off by that as they are by the Democrats. It is too much to ask in this day and age for a politician to truly concern themselves with the best interest of the American people? I say yes considering it is corporate America that are the ones pumping the most money into their election/re-election campaigns.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Fear of not appearing patriotic? Because today's Democrats in power have turned into shadows of their former selves? Perhaps it is because when they do speak out they get pigeon holed as lunatics like Dean does every time he opens his mouth? Face it, the repulicrats just don't stick together like the republicans do. They cave too easily and have forgotten what it is they are supposed to stand for. Even knowing all that, the republican extremists in power have shown their true colors so much the last 5 years that people are starting to get just as turned off by that as they are by the Democrats. It is too much to ask in this day and age for a politician to truly concern themselves with the best interest of the American people? I say yes considering it is corporate America that are the ones pumping the most money into their election/re-election campaigns.

:Q

I knew you had it in ya :thumbsup:

 

[umbrella39]

Hey, it happens I had to take a nap after that post, took a lot out of me LOL

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the Dems his Bolton appointment was "It?s a devious maneuver that evades the constitutional requirement of Senate consent", even though recess appointments are mentioned in the Constitution!!!

A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

So have the Republicans it would seem. Or am I missing the logic behind spending two terms attacking and hounding the president over anything they possibly can, followed by two terms of bitching about the Democrats doing the same thing with some ACTUAL issues. Bill gets a blow job from an intern and Karl Rove leaks information on a covert agent. But which one is perfectly deserving of outrage and months of media coverage and which one is scandal mongering? Well it depends on whether you are a Republican or a normal person.

I swear, we're going to have some kind of irony overload if the Republicans keep this up.

You clearly did miss the logic somewhere. Cooking up and embellishing a story about a White House aide compares to the President himself lying under oath and committing a federal crime?

Thank you for making my point. The Rove story is still ongoing, yet you people are ready to call it "cooked up" and "embellished" while suggesting what Clinton did was much worse. You don't actually care about the truth, you simply want to take shots at the opposition leaders, and then whine when it happens to you.

Hardly. The lefties have already in their mind thrown aside the innocent vs guilty ideal and called for Rove to be sent before a firing squad. Truth be damned, they're just out for blood (literally).

I'm just waiting for charges to be filed, but of course it seems the Democrats are on a witchhunt and don't have anything of substance. Typical.

What Clinton did IS worse. He committed a crime and was charged with 2 counts of impeachment IIRC.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

Not likely with insecure people like you who throw his name into every thead whether is relates to him or not. Sh!t, how long will you be whining about Kerry? 10-20 more years? LMAO

Clinton was the last successful effort of the democrats in the political system and as long as we remember him, will continue to be their last.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

Not likely with insecure people like you who throw his name into every thead whether is relates to him or not. Sh!t, how long will you be whining about Kerry? 10-20 more years? LMAO

Clinton was the last successful effort of the democrats in the political system and as long as we remember him, will continue to be their last.

:rollemonize him all you want but the reality is if he could have run for a third term the Republicans didn't have a single candidate that could have given him a worthwhile challenge in an election.. I believe the reason Republicans dislike him so much is because during his two terms he did to them what he did to Monica.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the Dems his Bolton appointment was "It?s a devious maneuver that evades the constitutional requirement of Senate consent", even though recess appointments are mentioned in the Constitution!!!

A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

So have the Republicans it would seem. Or am I missing the logic behind spending two terms attacking and hounding the president over anything they possibly can, followed by two terms of bitching about the Democrats doing the same thing with some ACTUAL issues. Bill gets a blow job from an intern and Karl Rove leaks information on a covert agent. But which one is perfectly deserving of outrage and months of media coverage and which one is scandal mongering? Well it depends on whether you are a Republican or a normal person.

I swear, we're going to have some kind of irony overload if the Republicans keep this up.

You clearly did miss the logic somewhere. Cooking up and embellishing a story about a White House aide compares to the President himself lying under oath and committing a federal crime?

Thank you for making my point. The Rove story is still ongoing, yet you people are ready to call it "cooked up" and "embellished" while suggesting what Clinton did was much worse. You don't actually care about the truth, you simply want to take shots at the opposition leaders, and then whine when it happens to you.

Hardly. The lefties have already in their mind thrown aside the innocent vs guilty ideal and called for Rove to be sent before a firing squad. Truth be damned, they're just out for blood (literally).

I'm just waiting for charges to be filed, but of course it seems the Democrats are on a witchhunt and don't have anything of substance. Typical.

What Clinton did IS worse. He committed a crime and was charged with 2 counts of impeachment IIRC.

I'll take a little extra nookie on the side or under the Oval Office desk over a phoney war and high Gas prices anyday.

 

[zendari]

A mere White House aide has the power to start a phoney war and increase gas prices?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
the dems are desperate for power, nothing is sticking and until they pull their heads out of their self rightous asses and quit being led around by the lunatic left they'll continue to lose power and scramble to figure out whats wrong. Well I can tell you right now whats wrong, we dont wanna live in socialist europe, quit trying to turn us into europe. We dont want a weak military or economy so quit trying to ruin those things.

Oh STHU. Democrats aren't interested in weakening our military, you repugs are the ones trying to weaken our military one dead soldier at a time. And your comment on dems weakening the economy is laughable. What has your side done to strengthen it? Hmm?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt a lot of democrats vote for the use of force against Iraq? And dont they keep on passing those spending bills for Iraq?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

Not likely with insecure people like you who throw his name into every thead whether is relates to him or not. Sh!t, how long will you be whining about Kerry? 10-20 more years? LMAO

Clinton was the last successful effort of the democrats in the political system and as long as we remember him, will continue to be their last.

:rollemonize him all you want but the reality is if he could have run for a third term the Republicans didn't have a single candidate that could have given him a worthwhile challenge in an election.. I believe the reason Republicans dislike him so much is because during his two terms he did to them what he did to Monica.

I think it was because he was ten times the polititian any of them ever dreamed of being yet only 1/10 the asshole.

 

[zendari]

Yup, Clinton did such a good job he led to the Republican Revolution of 1994.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, Clinton did such a good job he led to the Republican Revolution of 1994.

When you were 7 years old . . . We should care about your opinion on Clinton why, exactly? You were prepubescent when he left office.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, Clinton did such a good job he led to the Republican Revolution of 1994.

When you were 7 years old . . . We should care about your opinion on Clinton why, exactly? You were prepubescent when he left office.

I'll admit that I completely fail to take him seriously now. I don't think his opinions have developed much beyond that stage.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh STHU. Democrats aren't interested in weakening our military, you repugs are the ones trying to weaken our military one dead soldier at a time. And your comment on dems weakening the economy is laughable. What has your side done to strengthen it? Hmm?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt a lot of democrats vote for the use of force against Iraq? And dont they keep on passing those spending bills for Iraq?

[/quote]

Actually Genx, I am pretty sure you know by now they authorized to give the President the option to use force. But that aside, it sure looks like from your post you proved my point that the dems are not interested in weaking our military ATPAT like the other guys suggested.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, Clinton did such a good job he led to the Republican Revolution of 1994.

When you were 7 years old . . . We should care about your opinion on Clinton why, exactly? You were prepubescent when he left office.

I'll admit that I completely fail to take him seriously now. I don't think his opinions have developed much beyond that stage.

Is that the best the left can come up with? No wonder they can't win elections anymore.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh STHU. Democrats aren't interested in weakening our military, you repugs are the ones trying to weaken our military one dead soldier at a time. And your comment on dems weakening the economy is laughable. What has your side done to strengthen it? Hmm?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt a lot of democrats vote for the use of force against Iraq? And dont they keep on passing those spending bills for Iraq?

Actually Genx, I am pretty sure you know by now they authorized to give the President the option to use force. But that aside, it sure looks like from your post you proved my point that the dems are not interested in weaking our military ATPAT like the other guys suggested.[/quote]


Actually I was making the point if you are going to say the repubs are weakening our military 1 soldier at a time so are the democrats. Afterall they helped pass the authorization to use force and continue to fund the actions within Iraq.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, Clinton did such a good job he led to the Republican Revolution of 1994.

When you were 7 years old . . . We should care about your opinion on Clinton why, exactly? You were prepubescent when he left office.

I'll admit that I completely fail to take him seriously now. I don't think his opinions have developed much beyond that stage.

Is that the best the left can come up with? No wonder they can't win elections anymore.

LOL, using that logic, I'd say the GOP's future is in dire straits.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari
Is that the best the left can come up with? No wonder they can't win elections anymore.

LOL, using that logic, I'd say the GOP's future is in dire straits.

Meh. Forgive me for taking that with a grain of salt, considering the left was SOOOO accurate at predicting the '04 elections.

 

[zendari]

dp

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

Not likely with insecure people like you who throw his name into every thead whether is relates to him or not. Sh!t, how long will you be whining about Kerry? 10-20 more years? LMAO

Clinton was the last successful effort of the democrats in the political system and as long as we remember him, will continue to be their last.

:rollemonize him all you want but the reality is if he could have run for a third term the Republicans didn't have a single candidate that could have given him a worthwhile challenge in an election.. I believe the reason Republicans dislike him so much is because during his two terms he did to them what he did to Monica.

Yeah, that means that he did it to both of us. You liked it, I didn't! You forget that the reason Gore wasn't elected was that he was known to be a simple figure head for the Clinton political machine.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
A mere 5 years, and the Dems have completely forgotten the Clinton administration.

Not likely with insecure people like you who throw his name into every thead whether is relates to him or not. Sh!t, how long will you be whining about Kerry? 10-20 more years? LMAO

Clinton was the last successful effort of the democrats in the political system and as long as we remember him, will continue to be their last.

:rollemonize him all you want but the reality is if he could have run for a third term the Republicans didn't have a single candidate that could have given him a worthwhile challenge in an election.. I believe the reason Republicans dislike him so much is because during his two terms he did to them what he did to Monica.

I think it was because he was ten times the polititian any of them ever dreamed of being yet only 1/10 the asshole.

And being a super politican is good how?

 

[heartsurgeon]

man has this post gotten off topic...

my purpose for this thread was to point out how the Democrats are slinging mud in an effort to slow down the Bush political agenda.

the Dems are using gorilla warfare tactics...harrassment and bomb throwing...to try and disrupt the Republican Agenda.

it has always been my contention that the attention span, or news cycle if you prefer, of the "mainstream media" is about two weeks. They are rarely able to stay focused on any issue for more than two weeks at a time. So generally, if your able to hunker down and keep pressing ahead, you can weather most media created storms.

Bolton is now off the news cycle, and I suspect that his seating as our UN ambassador will basically become a non-newsworthy event. The flash is gone from that story...he may very well get Senate approval in 2007 without a whimper from the Democrats..

Tom Delay...geez, turns out LOTS of leading Democrats have done the exact same things they are upset at Delay doing.

The Delay war is about tying up the Republican leader in legal maneuverings so he is less effective as a leader..this has nothing to do with any criminality (or morality for that matter, as apparently some of the very people complaining about Delay, have done exactly what Delay has done).

Patriot Act...I can't get a single Liberal here rightously angry at the Dems (including lots of the Democrat leadership) who VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT TWICE!! I thought this was the end of liberty, Orwell's future come true...wasn't Ashcroft supposed to be Shatan, with the Patriot Act as his tool to subjugate the innocent masses....where is the indignation over Democrats who voted for it (TWICE!!)

radical judges...heck, the most "radical" judges were confirmed...with the help of Democrats. By the way, didn't more than just the 7 Democrats in the Gang of 14 vote for confirmation..i believe they did....where is the outrage at the Democrats who voted in "right wing" nut judges....

Gun Bill.....nothing, nada, no comments condemming Rockefeller, or Byrd, or Harry Reid!!! over voting to exclude gun makers from liability....

and Rove....another political attempt to derail the "evil genius" behind the simpleton from Crawford. Nothing is going to happen to Rove, Wilson is a demonstrable liar, and can anyone poiont out anybody who has been "compromised" in the performance of their job....nada, nobody.

o.k, let the comments begin...how about some rightous anger at the Democrats who have abandon your point of view?

 

[Todd33]

Stop feeding the trolls (it was on top when I said this, so I'm except).