Here's a couple:
1) Medicare actuarial fraud . . . cost . . . hundreds of billions
2) WMD in Iraq . . . cost . . . thousands of innocent lives . . . hundreds of billions . . . a once great nation's reputation
3) Gitmo
4) Abu Graib . . . curiously by the same guy in charge at Gitmo
5) Extraordinary renditions of innocent people
5) Afghanistan becomes the world's greatest opium producer . . . ever
7) Bush insiders giving state secrets to foreign lobbyists/spies . . . Clinton's Chinese connection would be proud
8) Rod Paige's miracle in Houston turns out to be fraud of massive proportions
9) Environmental "science" rewritten by power industry lobbyist in White House
10) Pat Tillman fraud
11) Jessica Lynch fraud
12) Mission Accomplished/end of major combat fraud
13) Energy legislation that subsidizes one of the few industries making mad $$ in America . . . fossil fuel pimps
14) Schiavo debacle . . . Frist, Bush, a duplicitous Congress, Jeb . . . a whole bunch of losers
Oh, and a few corrections:
DeLay is a crook . . . you forgot to mention the Transportation bill graft likely going to his district . . . plus I don't believe Reid made any trips to St. Andrews . . . or has his righthand men influence peddling to Indian tribes
Bolton has an appointment with a mandated endpoint of less than 18 months . . . at which point lame duck Bush will be even lamer
Karl Rove may not be a traitor but he's certainly a loser . . . with a special prosecutor on the prowl . . . apparently Bushies care b/c they certainly are not talking as much as they did in 2003-2004
You clearly did miss the logic somewhere. Cooking up and embellishing a story about a White House aide compares to the President himself lying under oath and committing a federal crime?
You clearly missed the fact that Karl Rove is not just "a White House aide" on the level of a Monica Lewinski. He has been, and remains, the Presidient's chief political strategist, as well as his senior advisor and deputy chief of staff in charge of policy. As such, he is in constant communication with Bush and wields considerable influence over administration policies and actions.
Irv Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is Cheney's chief of staff and likewise strongly influences the policies and actions of the administration.
So far, there is no clear evidence that either Bush or Cheney knew Rove and Libby outed Valerie Plame as a covert CIA operative. However, given their close association with Bush and Cheney, and their level of influence, it's not unreasonable to question whether either Bush or Cheney knew of Rove or Libby's intentions to do so before they did it or whether, after the fact, they pariticipated in any attempt to cover it up or sidetrack the investigation.
If Bush or Cheney did so, they are as guilty as Rove and Libby of any crimes or ethical violations they committed and should be subject to the same sanctions.
Yeah, and the difference is, Monica never had her hands on anything important.
Aides that mean something are a bit more important than chubby interns.
Oh, so they think they are "safe"?
Believe you me, theres a lot of behind the scenes investigation going on. Delay is one of the ones who will see judgment day. As will Karl. Remember, the investigation into Karl doesn?t conclude until October, and can be extended if needed. Have you read the views of many judges on the Karl case? Most, if not all, predict (or give a strong indication) Karl WILL be indicted and will have to leave. Some very telling words in their opinions.
There?s so much going on behind the scene. But naturally you are clueless. Why? Because you no doubt only get your news from FOX. (God save you, oh one in the dark!!!)
Believe you me, theres a lot of behind the scenes investigation going on. Delay is one of the ones who will see judgment day. As will Karl. Remember, the investigation into Karl doesn?t conclude until October, and can be extended if needed. Have you read the views of many judges on the Karl case? Most, if not all, predict (or give a strong indication) Karl WILL be indicted and will have to leave. Some very telling words in their opinions.
There?s so much going on behind the scene. But naturally you are clueless. Why? Because you no doubt only get your news from FOX. (God save you, oh one in the dark!!!)
Thank you for making my point. The Rove story is still ongoing, yet you people are ready to call it "cooked up" and "embellished" while suggesting what Clinton did was much worse. You don't actually care about the truth, you simply want to take shots at the opposition leaders, and then whine when it happens to you.
I'm shocked! :Q
The best the usual apologists can muster up is not a solid defense of anything, but rather a meek "Your side does (or would do) it too!"
That explains a lot...
The best the usual apologists can muster up is not a solid defense of anything, but rather a meek "Your side does (or would do) it too!"
That explains a lot...
I'm shocked! :Q
The best the Bush apologists can muster is NO defense for outing Valerie Plme as a covert CIA operative, or any other information in a memo marked "Top Secret," or even an admission that their fearless leader promised to fire anyone who was involved in leaking that info to the press. Rather, all they can do is bring up irrelevant issues like Clinton's petty distractions with Monica and others.
I don't condone the fact that Clinton lied under oath about it, but considering that Rove and Libby's actions are dangerously close to treason, as well as the potentially catastrophic consequenses of their actions, and considering that Clinton is no longer in office, but the Bushwhackos are, aren't you losing perspective about the relative significance of the two cases? :roll:
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Nice autobiography you just wrote down there. :roll: The funniest hypocrites of them all are the ones who make it so easy for the rest to laugh at. :laugh:
I was wondering who would be the first to say this. After it was said about the missing WMDs and the Abu Ghraib abuses it was simply a matter of time.
Oh, and it's nice to see that you've been picked as the spokesperson for the American people.
You can explain it away any way you wish, it's all BS.
I haven't followed the Rovehunt much, and I haven't defended Bush on the matter... I haven't even discussed it. Silly you.
My comment had nothing to do about perspective or significance. It was an observation of tactics, and the good ol' "your side does it also" argument is a real winner :roll:
Now commence your spinning of wheels once more....
how about all the Liberal concern about the Patriot Act??
Last time I checked, it got passed with ease, and very little coverage about how Democrats voted on it in the "mainstream" press.
How come the Dems rolled over on the Patriot Act? I mean, it was just a few bombs that went off in London...you don't think that made a difference do you?
Where is the outrage over the Patriot Act!!
Liberals rise up!!
cnn
Last time I checked, it got passed with ease, and very little coverage about how Democrats voted on it in the "mainstream" press.
How come the Dems rolled over on the Patriot Act? I mean, it was just a few bombs that went off in London...you don't think that made a difference do you?
Where is the outrage over the Patriot Act!!
Liberals rise up!!
cnn
Oh boy, someone like you is gonna laugh at me? The pain... :roll:
When your posts average about two sentences, and most revolve around demeaning another person, it begs a lot of questions....
Without sounding too "elitist" (I know, it's terrible to be smarter or know more than other people), the issue with the Patriot Act is that the average person doesn't understand why it's bad for liberty and bad for security, but they DO understand bombs going off and the government "springing into action". The fact that the springing into action is worse than doing nothing is beside the point, because most people (including the Dems and Reps who voted for it) don't even understand the issues involved.
I'm certainly not defending the Democrats, I think both sides should spend a little less time trying to kill each other and more time, you know, doing what we pay them to do. I just felt the need to point out that whining about the Dems doing something when the Republicans do the exact same thing is kind of silly. Wouldn't you agree?
heartsurgeon -- WTF are you pissing about, now? There aer plenty of people concerned about the way the < gag > "Patriot" act shreds the U.S. Constitution.
How about the fact that you left in a hissy fit and promised not to return? Where's your outrage over that? :roll:
How about the fact that you left in a hissy fit and promised not to return? Where's your outrage over that? :roll:
Originally posted by: Harvey
heartsurgeon -- WTF are you pissing about, now? There aer plenty of people concerned about the way the < gag > "Patriot" act shreds the U.S. Constitution.
How about the fact that you left in a hissy fit and promised not to return? Where's your outrage over that? :roll:
And yes, my post to the contrary, there are PLENTY of people concerned over the Patriot Act. Ask the EFF and the ACLU what they think, for starters
"Hmmm, I'm bored. There's nothing to do. I know! I'll go back to Anandtech and post some flame-bait."
I would agree that it's silly.
Let's battle ideas... I'm not for all the political (partisan) manuevering. Just not my interest.
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Oh boy, someone like you is gonna laugh at me? The pain... :roll:
When your posts average about two sentences, and most revolve around demeaning another person, it begs a lot of questions....
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Nice autobiography you just wrote down there. :roll: The funniest hypocrites of them all are the ones who make it so easy for the rest to laugh at. :laugh:
well i would agree, but how come so many Dems, and particularly those in leadership positions, voted to make almost all of the provisions permanent.
when the original bill was passed, 98 to 1 in the Senate, and 357 to 66 in the House, in 2001, and had sunset provisions....
the current bill would make almost all of the Patriot Act permanent law.
so far lots of support from Dems for Patriot Act 1, and so far for Patriot Act 2.....inspite of the rhetoric..
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