Originally posted by: feralkid
Ignore him; he's flinging feces.
E.G. cows, guinea pigs and goldfish have more chromosomes than humans...it doesn't make them our genetic superiors.
I find it amusing Hare's have the same Chromosome count as us
Craig isn't that a bit harsh? Michelle does have large hips and butt. Wasn't Hillary the butt (no pun intended) of similar jokes? Would you say the same about a woman who points out a guys bald head, beer belly, etc?
FWIW, the comment by Depass is clearly racist and he deserves the response he's getting. As far as the pic of Obama with the other presidents - someone sent me that this morning and I'll admit I laughed when I saw it.
Yes, it is harsh - my comment should not be read as saying he is those things, it's saying that those are things that his comment might lead him to be accused of, depending on contaxt, etc., as I'm answering the question about whether the comment is *racist*, and saying IMO, it's not. But yes, if it were read as calling him those things, it would be too harsh.
My comment was 'until the reference means nothing' because the racism has become forgotten from lack of use - not 'means nothing' because the targets 'ignore it'.
You are blaming the victim there. How about I insult your mother, and then say you are part of the problem for saying it's offensive, when you could just ignore it?
Are you really partly in the wrong there? No. You could ignore it, but you are not wrong to object.
Thanks; I don't see you as unreasonable, rather, I know I've had times when something I thought was 'harmless' I came to see as 'oh, that's offensive'.
We're just exchanging views on our view of this situation. I appreciate your civilness.
It's temporary.
The discovery of beer led to the humans' out-breeding apes, who are not attractive, and without the aid of beer, breed much less.
The next key issue was the invention of gunpowder. The apes have a saying, 'put a million humans in front oft a typewriter, and they'll invent gunpowder'. The breeding paid off.
"Forgotten from lack of use" does clarify that more, and I see your point that would allow a statement like what was made to not be racist because no one would remember how to take it in a racist way. I do however believe this will take a very long time to happen. I think a quicker way would be for people to stop taking things in a racist unless that is the only absolute way to take it. Make the offender come out and use a real insult or admit to saying it to be racist. Although by the time you convinced the world to do that "Forgotten from lack of use" would have already worked. LOL. So, I guess it is here to stay and we all better watch what we say.
Depending on the what you said about my mother it may be my fault. If you called her fat, and she really was then it is partly my fault. Because if that is all you said then I really should only be offended by it if I assume you were trying to say it as an insult, and without further context clues that would be wrong. But if you called her a fat b****, then it would not be my fault because I don't see how that could be taken anyway besides and insult.
As for what was said about the First Lady it was a one sentence post with no context except for him saying later it was about making fun of her evolution speech. And even with the later context he added a lot of people still think he said it as a racist comment. I just don't see why people look for the worst way to take things. Call me naive, but I try to look for the good in everyone and everything.
I just heard the end of the news story on TV a few mornings ago and they said the comment was made because of her evolution speech. I don't have a link.
Yes, I too had heard the excuse given of some speech, but it was unsubstantiated. I also did a search for the it but was unable to find it. That was why I was hoping you'd have a link to it.
I'm starting to believe this is another instance of the 'Whitey Tape".
dainthomas
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So that guy is saying he doesn't believe advantageous traits can be passed on to descendants? I guess he's only an ignoramus rather than a racist. What a relief.
I just did a quick search also and didn't find a real quote. So, without that it is rather hard to not take it as racist. If he has never said or done anything racist before, maybe he just mis-heard her or something. I don't know.
What is the "Whitey Tape"?
So, if he doesn't believe in evolution but instead believes in divine intervention, then he is an ignoramus. I am sure that some very smart people don't believe in evolution. One area does not make you an ignoramus. Although the guy could be as stupid as a rock for all I know. He is a politician after all.
jonks
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1000 years ago when people thought the earth looked like a frisbee, no. Today? Yeppers. Even the pope acknowledged no contradiction exists between faith in god and evolution, it's time to let this one go. It's on par with arguing that Apollo's chariot drags the sun across the sky each day.
Thanks for this reasonable response. I'd just add I'm not sure you appreciate that your desired standard would leave a lot of racist innuendo going on.
14 year olds who love to say 'i love you' and defend it by saying 'maybe they only a mean a cigarette in England' would rejoice with your new lax policy.
I'm talking, though, about racism, not defensible racial statements. The reference to the 'blacks and monkeys' racism is a problem, I'm not talking about someone saying, in a responsible context, 'African Americans commit a disprortionate percentage of crimes',which is analagous to your mother actually being overweight. (Not that it's right to go around insulting based on weight, and if someone did say that, it's probaly at attack aimed at you, not your mother).
I can even accept that he might be telling the truth, but the point is, that because of the history, it's still wrong.
Maybe an anecdote will help (true story). A young man saw a news story about a man who had been killed while working on his car, and he used a torch to open the gas tank - it exploded. This young man and his brother laughed hysterically at the idiocy of the man doing that. Not long after, they had a visitor - the mother of the man who was killed, who turned out to know his parents, and he got to see their grief, and realized what an ass he'd been to laugh as he did. Think he'd say to her 'that's sad and all, but isn't the idiocy funny?'
The fact is, if Michelle Obama were white, he could probably be ok with the joke; on that issue, there's a different standard, because the history is different for blacks.
I like that you see good in situations and give the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't make it ok to open the door for racists to demand their insinuations be allowed.
As I said before, the right response is for the guy to explain that he didn't mean it as racist, say sorry now that he realizes it.
Kind of like Obama did on his 'special olympics' gaffe when he only meant to make himself the tarkget of the joke, but actually accidentally made fun of people with disabilites.
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