nakedfrog
No Lifer
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Manchin is such a shit-bucket of a human, he can fuck all the way off. Twice.
The 50 republicans are worse.Manchin is such a shit-bucket of a human, he can fuck all the way off. Twice.
Well, yeah, but that's implied, they're already all known quantities of shit in too-small buckets.The 50 republicans are worse.
Its almost like you’re towards disaster… somethings gotta give at some point…
The whole point was to get everyone on the record. None of them would get past the filibuster.But it’s so confusing the competing bills. Bill from the house that Schumer brought for a vote, Manchin complaining it’s expanding on Roe and will overrule state rights. Dems it’s only codifying Roe. Bill Murkowski and Collins wrote, while codifying abortion nation wide, apparently doesn’t do enough to stop state laws on number of weeks. But then you get Moscow Mitch saying everyone going to get an abortion at 9 months just before delivery. And media saying this vote backfired on the Dems because it failed under a bipartisan vote. Just because 1 person crossed the aisle, it’s not bipartisan stupid news anchor.
The best thing in the world would be asking all the R midterm republican opponents what their vote would have been.The whole point was to get everyone on the record. None of them would get past the filibuster.
the only real choice is pro freedom, or anti-freedom. forcing people into a choice when they are stuck between a rock and a hard place is terrible.
pro freedom- let people make the choice that is best for them, their family. no moral gray areas, not fascist.
anti freedom- tell others what to do when it does not affect you. immoral, fascist, requires bureaucracy
the choice is clear, weather you would personally choose an abortion or not does not matter, it matters weather you would force someone else to do something, even when it does not effect your life.
Manchin. Who else?
"The final tally was 49 to 51 with moderate Democrat, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, joining with Republicans to vote against the measure and stop it from advancing. "
Key vote to protect access to abortion fails in the Senate | CNN Politics
A key vote on the Women's Health Protection Act, a Democrat-led bill aimed at preserving access to abortion nationwide, failed in the Senate on Wednesday.www.cnn.com
This is why the 2020 election upset me.
Sure we got rid of Trump. But we lost the war.
Don't worry, Republicans tell us all the time how Democrats "control" the country and deserve blame. Powerless to uphold Roe, but all so powerful. Yep...
So the reports are that the Alito opinion that leaked is the ONLY draft that the majority has created, meaning that there's been no back-and-forth to temper the language of the opinion. To me then that lends weight to my theory that the opinion was leaked by someone who wanted, in the absence of the majority switching sides, CJ Roberts to switch his vote and seize the majority opinion away from Alito to tone down the rhetoric.
Like, leaking this doesn't get Bort or the Coney Dog to switch sides because everyone will know they switched. The only thing leaking this accomplishes is it sends a message to Roberts: "Join us and control the narrative or live with the fact that you let us burn it all down to ashes."
The whole point was to get everyone on the record.
How much PR material you think they’ll extract from this come midterms?THAT'S a bunch of bull cocky.
Not you, but this thinking from Chuck Schumer.
WHO F-ing CARES about THE RECORD???
No one cares. It makes to difference to anyone in the end, and besides.... we already know exactly what THE RECORD will look like so whats the point?
To me, to do this just makes democrats look as helpless as they truly are. Tells the world WE'RE F-ED AND CAN'T DO A THING ABOIUT IT. Democrats need to be hitting hard on the midterms with getting more democrats elected, not whining about past and current failures.
Yeah.... it's embarrassing. Biden is the president, democrats have the house and senate, and still nothing that they can do. It's totally shameful.
And it's not that Manchin can bring an entire political party down to its knees, it is that Joe Biden allows it. Dems should have snipped Manchin's balls long ago and sent Manchin off to the Mitch McConnell camp. No loss to the dems in losing a traitor. A republican in sheep's clothing. Get rid of this Manchin SOB because all that Manchin is doing is making democrats look like worthless fools.
GAUD... WHERE IS LBJ WHEN WE NEED HIM....
Exactly. I do not understand why democrats are so bad at this. Bring up a federal bill that guarantees abortion rights in case of rape or incest only. If it passes and SCOTUS upholds it great, you just increased abortion rights. If SCOTUS strikes it down it further undermines them. If Republicans block it they are holding a super unpopular stance.This is a messaging exercise since this SCOTUS will toss any law passed in the trash. In which case it might have been better to make Rs vote against protections for pregnancies from rape and incest plus protect access for ectopic pregnancies. Voting to say a raped woman must carry to term or a mother must risk her life for a pregnancy without an option is a lot more damaging politically.
We know how they'd vote, but the "swing voter" probably doesn't, so this opens an attack path on them. Now instead of saying "republicans will ban abortion" they can specifically say "Susan Collins voted against Row V Wade." This was smart, now they need to do it for birth control, which will be much more effective.THAT'S a bunch of bull cocky.
Not you, but this thinking from Chuck Schumer.
WHO F-ing CARES about THE RECORD???
No one cares. It makes to difference to anyone in the end, and besides.... we already know exactly what THE RECORD will look like so whats the point?
To me, to do this just makes democrats look as helpless as they truly are. Tells the world WE'RE F-ED AND CAN'T DO A THING ABOIUT IT. Democrats need to be hitting hard on the midterms with getting more democrats elected, not whining about past and current failures.
Yeah.... it's embarrassing. Biden is the president, democrats have the house and senate, and still nothing that they can do. It's totally shameful.
And it's not that Manchin can bring an entire political party down to its knees, it is that Joe Biden allows it. Dems should have snipped Manchin's balls long ago and sent Manchin off to the Mitch McConnell camp. No loss to the dems in losing a traitor. A republican in sheep's clothing. Get rid of this Manchin SOB because all that Manchin is doing is making democrats look like worthless fools.
GAUD... WHERE IS LBJ WHEN WE NEED HIM....
Splitting America in two is a lot more difficult than people may realize. First, it’s not so much of a state divide as an urban/rural divide, meaning even the reddest and bluest states are more like 60/40. Maybe more importantly though, the red states have dominant political power but are backwards economically. They can’t afford to split from the blue states because they would in large part become third world countries without fiscal transfers from the economically prosperous blue states.Is this take accurate? It's not a civil war, but an amicable separation
The second American civil war is already happening | Robert Reich
America will still be America. But it is fast becoming two versions of itself. The open question is: how will the two be civil toward each other?www.theguardian.com
But as long as the system (the Senate and the electoral college) gives the red-states disproportionate influence at the national level, surely it could always turn from a "concious uncoupling" into Depp v Heard?
hell they could wantonly impeach the President and then VP and install their Speaker as President easily; and that's if they don't decide to just throw everything to the wind and declare a Democrat President and VP as traitors and execute them).
Also the person you replied to, is ignoring the fact you can’t impeach both POTUS and VP at the same time. Separate hearings. And once POTUS gets impeached, VP will choose their VP and the circle continues. Only in the scenario of getting further down the line of succession is a mass terrorist attack like in TV show Designated Survivor and you get Mayor Pete as new POTUS.You need two thirds for an impeachment to pass the Senate.
Not true - a new VP has to be approved by a majority of the house and senate.Also the person you replied to, is ignoring the fact you can’t impeach both POTUS and VP at the same time. Separate hearings. And once POTUS gets impeached, VP will choose their VP and the circle continues. Only in the scenario of getting further down the line of succession is a mass terrorist attack like in TV show Designated Survivor and you get Mayor Pete as new POTUS.